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2.5
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FEB 14, 11:02 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
I wonder whether sourmash meant to end his message with "Ideas" instead of "Ideals."
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Probably ideals, as in "of or relating to the philosophical doctrine of the reality of ideas"
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Patrick
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FEB 14, 12:46 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
You don't speak for everybody.
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| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
You're attempting to speak for everyone...
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| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
He's exactly attempting to speak for everyone...
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Repeating the same bullsh!t over and over again doesn't somehow make it true. This is a prime example of why I posted what I did.
| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
I read over all these posts, and the thought that comes foremost to mind is...
What a total freakin' waste of everyone's time!
Yes, I include my own posts here among this waste of time.
Nothing of any real merit has been stated. No minds have been illuminated. Nothing has been accomplished.
Everyone would be better off just going for a walk.
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The first line of my quoted post makes it quite clear. I was expressing my own thoughts... on how little real benefit this "discussion" has for anyone participating in it. The multitude of worthless responses from sourmash only cements my assessment.
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MidEngineManiac
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FEB 14, 12:59 PM
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All political discussions are worthless. Nobody is going to convert anybody to their way of thinking. It's basically arguing just for the sake of arguing.
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Patrick
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FEB 14, 01:05 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by MidEngineManiac:
All political discussions are worthless. Nobody is going to convert anybody to their way of thinking. It's basically arguing just for the sake of arguing.
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We're finally in agreement on something!
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sourmash
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FEB 14, 02:23 PM
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I've seen many people reading political threads (but not posting) gain value from the discussion and even have their minds changed. I've seen it in PMs sometimes. Or people will agree privately, which is a validation for what they thought as well as myself.
The goal isn't just changing minds. It's upholding truths too. Sometimes it's clarifying a person's position. Opposition or not.
How do you know the boundaries of what you believe if you never exercise your opinions? Similarly important is discovering that someone doesn't want.to plot their belief. The only reasons I can think that they would so that is to evade defending a position, or perhaps shame? Idk.
| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
The first line of my quoted post makes it quite clear. I was expressing my own thoughts... on how little real benefit this "discussion" has for anyone participating in it. The multitude of worthless responses from sourmash only cements my assessment. |
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You want cause issues if you use the singular form "my" instead of the plural "everyone's". You can neg the thread, but the activity says differently. I don't see that anyone established that critical thinking skills and freedom DOESN'T come after groups and people start calling people mean names as in the opening discussion.[This message has been edited by sourmash (edited 02-14-2022).]
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rinselberg
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FEB 14, 02:43 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
I've seen many people reading political threads (but not posting) gain value from the discussion and even have their minds changed. I've seen it in PMs sometimes. Or people will agree privately, which is a validation for what they thought as well as myself.
The goal isn't just changing minds. It's upholding truths too. Sometimes it's clarifying a person's position. Opposition or not.
How do you know the boundaries of what you believe if you never exercise your opinions? Similarly important is discovering that someone doesn't want.to plot their belief. The only reasons I can think that they would so that is to evade defending a position, or perhaps shame? Idk.
You want cause issues if you use the singular form "my" instead of the plural "everyone's". You can neg the thread, but the activity says differently. I don't see that anyone established that critical thinking skills and freedom DOESN'T come after groups and people start calling people mean names as in the opening discussion. |
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That's one possible outcome. Sometimes it happens. But I think it's often the case that the consequence or sequel to people being called "mean names" is NOT an enhancement or improvement in anyone's or any group's critical thinking skills and freedoms.
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sourmash
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FEB 14, 04:03 PM
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Well, the goal is to shout people down by having them censored from public view.
How do you think those people handle that for doing something that is really nothing? Do you believe they are "cured" of their thought crimes? That they don't hold a grudge against an authoritarian system? That they don't seek validation for what they have said or done from others, from history? Did Marjorie Taylor Greene (sp) actually modify her understanding? Has JK Rowling changed her opinion? Mel Gibson?
In the case of prominent talkers wanting to retain or regain income from networks they have to totally grovel and they're still going to suffer and eternally apologize on queue when prompted/interviewed. Like Whoopi. I'd say they can't fire her yet. They built her up with too much support already. She can cause a big backlash with the pillar they've placed her upon.
In the case of Turdeau appearing in black face, they have a political lever to make him do to the public what he's told to do. If not, they have all the press to destroy him at their whim. He's the perfect tool for the Black Hand.
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Patrick
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FEB 14, 04:32 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
You want (sic) cause issues if you use the singular form "my" instead of the plural "everyone's".
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"Issues" with whom? You? Too bad so sad if I can't express an opinion on whether or not I think anybody is enlightened by the content of this thread.
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2.5
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FEB 14, 05:22 PM
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I guess I'll ask only once so I don't fit the profile 
What is the point for anyone continuing to post about something "not changing anyones mind", or "being a waste of time", or "worthless".
Maybe don't open the thread, don't reply, maybe state what you disagree with, or don't be upset, just back away?
Although Sourmash had some good points in his post about this "idea", about goals, clarifications, truths, evasion, etc .
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Patrick
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FEB 14, 05:29 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 2.5:
Maybe don't open the thread, don't reply, maybe state what you disagree with, or don't be upset, just back away?
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I was planning to "walk away" with This post... but I keep getting invited back.
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