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rinselberg MAR 17, 04:26 AM

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Originally posted by Hudini:
That's absolutely hilarious. Hidin' Biden taking credit for Trump's Operation Warp Speed. Hell I bet you even spout the DNC propaganda that "there was no distribution plan".


Bill Gates, among others, has said that the federal government's conception and execution of "Warp Speed" under the Trump administration has been praiseworthy, in terms of the rapid development of usable vaccines for the U.S. population. The Bill Gates remark that I am remembering did not go beyond that, into any appraisal of vaccines distribution planning and preparedness.

Iif there was a Donald J. Trump "secret sauce" in the Warp Speed recipe--something that sets it apart from what any likely other federal administration could have accomplished--I don't know what that would be.

The first Covid vaccine that received a federal emergency use authorization from the FDA was the Pfizer vaccine.

This is from November 13, 2020, as reported in the Associated Press:

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Pfizer notably did not accept government money to develop, test or expand manufacturing capacity under Trump’s Operation Warp Speed initiative to quickly find a vaccine and treatments for the disease sweeping the country.

In fact, Pfizer partnered with the vaccine’s original developer, Germany’s BioNTech, in March and the following month announced the first human study in Germany. The White House announced Operation Warp Speed in May.

Pfizer opted not to join Operation Warp Speed initially but is following the same general requirements for the vaccine’s development as competitors who received government research money. The company says it has risked $2 billion of its own money on vaccine development and won’t get anything from Washington unless the effort is successful.

“Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine development and manufacturing costs have been entirely self-funded,” Pfizer spokeswoman Jerica Pitts said this week. “We decided to self-fund our efforts so we could move as fast as possible.”


The report continues with this:

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Pfizer did sign an agreement with the U.S. government in July [2020] worth $1.95 billion — if the vaccine pans out and is cleared by the FDA — to supply 100 million doses. That guarantees Pfizer a U.S. market, an important incentive.


Just a week ago (March 10, 2021) there was a press release from the Office of Donald J. Trump:

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I hope everyone remembers when they're getting the COVID-19 (often referred to as the China Virus) Vaccine, that if I wasn't President, you wouldn't be getting that beautiful "shot" for 5 years, at best, and probably wouldn't be getting it all. I hope everyone remembers!


That's an exorbitant amount of credit for Trump to try to claim for himself. For what? The July 2020 anticipatory or pre-purchase agreement by the U.S. government for $1.95 billion to secure a supply of the Pfizer vaccine? For other actions and agreements of that kind that were part of Operation Warp Speed?

Veritably, the U.S. government committed to purchase $1.95 billion of the Pfizer vaccine several months before the Pfizer project had advanced to the milestone of receiving an emergency use authorization from the FDA, and that pre-purchase agreement has proven out to have been a smart move, but was it rocket science?


It's basically just the reversal or the inversion of a very old idea. "I will gladly agree to pay you now (or agree now to pay you) for a supply of vaccine starting TBD."

I don't think it took a "Donald J. Trump" to come up with that.

"AP FACT CHECK: Trump distorts on vaccine, state distribution"
Hope Yen, Lauren Neergaard and Candice Choi for the Associated Press; November 13, 2020.
https://apnews.com/article/...586b207990396c1e3b5f

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cliffw MAR 17, 06:54 AM

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Originally posted by maryjane:
I didn't ask for much. Just some quantitative data proving these claims that the counts are significantly in error.
After months of asking, all I've heard are crickets in the dark.
I don't expect that to change either.



What we have here maryjane, is a failure to communicate. The gooberment has communicated little to inspire belief in their numbers, trust in their motives, or even plausibility of their claims, and most of all their claims of guidance.

I just not can believe that you think the Kung Flu is not heavily politicized. Just as Global Warming, the New Ice Age (of the 80's), climate change. You want us to give you numbers which the gooberment supplies ?
rinselberg MAR 17, 07:51 AM
Uh, Cliff (W) . . . are you sure you're not heavily politicized?

sourmash MAR 17, 08:26 AM
The govt calls 24 year olds "children" when compiling gun deaths.

Cliff, he somehow thinks we're as gullible as his demographic group. Which is an insult to our intelligence.
rinselberg MAR 17, 09:37 AM

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Originally posted by sourmash:

The govt calls 24 year olds "children" when compiling gun deaths.

Cliff, he somehow thinks we're as gullible as his demographic group. Which is an insult to our intelligence.


I think that can only be a "cherry pick" from the various government databases (FBI and CDC; others?) that are publicized. Or an out-of-context and misleading characterization of how the government is reporting about that demarcation of 24 years of age. "Children?" Or is that being reported as "young adults"..?

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2.5 MAR 17, 12:43 PM
"words"
82-T/A [At Work] MAR 17, 04:11 PM

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Originally posted by maryjane:

It's no more 'ridiculous' than the baseless unproven "I've heard/we've all 'heard/I have a friend that knows someone that's a nurse and she said.." people that were claimed to have died from Covid in auto accidents and yet you never call those illogical claims out. Until proven otherwise, I will continue to believe that only one or 2 actual instances of that auto death thing happened, and as the link I provided showed, it was an outlier and was corrected.
Speculation and hearsay is not proof.

Yes, I DO believe there are variances in the data, as there always is when dealing with milliions of cases (of anything) but I also believe (and until proven otherwise) will continue to believe the variances are statistically and realistically insignificant.

IF I were to fall for the 'numbers are grossly misstated' it would be in the opposite direction. Due to the number of people I have seen claim they had covid (some as early as Dec 2019) got over it without ever seeing a doctor and were never tested, I could be led to believe there are a lot more total cases than 'officially' reported.
Here in OT, we really only have a core group of about 30 regulars but I know of at least 4-5 people that fall in the group that said they had it 'anonymously'. 4/30
"IF", that ratio holds true in the total population, then the total US caseload is grossly undercounted, but since it is simply opinion of those 4-5 people (unproven by tests) then I discard it as no more than a 'maybe'.

I didn't ask for much. Just some quantitative data proving these claims that the counts are significantly in error.
After months of asking, all I've heard are crickets in the dark.
I don't expect that to change either.

PROVE the numbers wrong.

(edited for glaring typos)



FACTS:

- State Health Department officials have said they count "COVID DEATHS" as literally anyone who dies, and happens to test positive for COVID at time of death. PERIOD, this is not subjection, this is fact. Let me know if you want me to post that video again from the Health Director for the state of Illinois.

- The False Positive rate for COVID testing is 20-30%


You take all of that into consideration, the variance in "COVID DEATHS" is going to like be anywhere from 15-25% using very basic math.


Whether you think that is a significant variance, or not... is totally up to you... but that's what it is. You can choose to do with that information what you like. Democrats use it to exploit voters, and people who are scared of getting sick.
Lambo nut MAR 17, 04:41 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

FACTS:

- State Health Department officials have said they count "COVID DEATHS" as literally anyone who dies, and happens to test positive for COVID at time of death. PERIOD, this is not subjection, this is fact. Let me know if you want me to post that video again from the Health Director for the state of Illinois.



Relative that is a nurse practitioner has said this was happening from the beginning, thus the reason for one of my earlier posts.

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Lambo nut MAR 17, 04:46 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

FACTS:


- The False Positive rate for COVID testing is 20-30%





When tests were being done at the restart of the college semester this last fall, Vanderbilt was finding 4 out of 5 positives turned out to be false positives.
cliffw MAR 17, 09:05 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:
Uh, Cliff (W) . . . are you sure you're not heavily politicized?



Yes. Unlike you, I am heavily patriotic.


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Originally posted by sourmash:
The govt calls 24 year olds "children" when compiling gun deaths.

Cliff, he somehow thinks we're as gullible as his demographic group. Which is an insult to our intelligence.



Did you say gullible ? I was about to look for his post where he said Hiden Biden had a 65%, he said almost astronomical, 65% approval rating.

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Originally posted by rinselberg:
I think that can only be a "cherry pick" from the various government databases (FBI and CDC; others?) that are publicized. Or an out-of-context and misleading characterization of how the government is reporting about that demarcation of 24 years of age. "Children?" Or is that being reported as "young adults"..?

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? indeed. Children can stay on their parents health care plan till they are 25 years old.