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FEB 21, 04:12 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Threedog:
I would point to universal healthcare that has not tanked the economies of European countries or Japan or Korea or Canada.
I would point to taxation polices that work in Scandinavian and European countries that have not turned them into third world hell holes.
I would point to the utter lack of exodus of the super rich from countries that have progressive, strict taxation polices that heavily tax the rich.
I would point(as I have in this thread) to the increased social mobility in these economies, where poor people actually have a fair shot at getting rich.
I would point to many states in this country that have passed many liberal/leftist laws with large social safety nets and have seen increased social mobility and stronger economies.
We like to think that America's super-capitalistic attitude is what allowed America to thrive during the second half of the twentieth centuries. However we forget that just about every other country that could rival us economically had been invaded, split, or bombed to complete and utter ruins. It is really easy to be on top when your infrastructure is intact and others have been decimated. Once countries began to rebuild their infrastructure/politically stabilize, they caught up quick.
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It's amusing to watch you respond in ways that show you have no idea as to what the Hell you are talking about.
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2.5
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FEB 21, 04:18 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Threedog:
universal healthcare
taxation polices that work in Scandinavian and European countries
progressive, strict taxation polices that heavily tax the rich.
increased social mobility
liberal/leftist laws with large social safety nets and have seen increased social mobility and stronger economies.
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The how, and what you'd have to dismantle to do these things become of utter importance.
Not that I agree with any of the above.
Again though did you watch any of the vids I posted that show the issues with this?
Increased social mobility... I.E. Affimative action I take it? Forced redistribution of wealth? Land?
or?
After you get the US how you'd like it, would you then do the same on a world scale? Make it fair?
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olejoedad
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FEB 21, 04:21 PM
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Quoted from above....
"I would point to many states in this country that have passed many liberal/leftist laws with large social safety nets and have seen increased social mobility and stronger economies."
Please elucidate.
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2.5
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FEB 21, 04:44 PM
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Setting the wrong priorities can be deadly for millions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R-tc1AtnjU
Seriously, listen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0iL0ixoZYo
The vids aren't that long.
If you haven't listened to the earlier ones please go back and listen.
Seriously search for opinions contrary to your own.
Dismantling everything that caused the Free World is not something to rush in to lightly.
Baby steps toward a bad end are still steps toward a bad end.
Slopes are slippery, look at abortion these days, well that escalated quickly.[This message has been edited by 2.5 (edited 02-21-2019).]
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blackrams
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FEB 21, 05:19 PM
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| quote | [B]Originally posted by Threedog:[/B
I would point to universal healthcare that has not tanked the economies of European countries or Japan or Korea or Canada.
I would point to taxation polices that work in Scandinavian and European countries that have not turned them into third world hell holes.
I would point to the utter lack of exodus of the super rich from countries that have progressive, strict taxation polices that heavily tax the rich.
I would point(as I have in this thread) to the increased social mobility in these economies, where poor people actually have a fair shot at getting rich.
I would point to many states in this country that have passed many liberal/leftist laws with large social safety nets and have seen increased social mobility and stronger economies.
We like to think that America's super-capitalistic attitude is what allowed America to thrive during the second half of the twentieth centuries. However we forget that just about every other country that could rival us economically had been invaded, split, or bombed to complete and utter ruins. It is really easy to be on top when your infrastructure is intact and others have been decimated. Once countries began to rebuild their infrastructure/politically stabilize, they caught up quick.
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What bothers me about this is, Threedog is a teacher. Some people's kids are subjected to his attitude, opinions and most likely in how/what he teaches. Which will lead to more Socialist attitudes. This Socialist attitude used to be prevelent at the college level. Now I see they are working on the younger kids.
Rams[This message has been edited by blackrams (edited 02-21-2019).]
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williegoat
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FEB 21, 05:54 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
What bothers me about this is, Threedog is a teacher. Some people's kids are subjected to his attitude, opinions and most likely in how/what he teaches. Which will lead to more Socialist attitudes. This Socialist attitude used to be prevelent at the college level. Now I see they are working on the younger kids.
Rams
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I have been antiquated with two who had a PhD in Education. One was my mentor in the safety field and the other was the wife (now deceased) of a lifelong friend. Both were solid conservatives but each told me of the extreme left wing bias in academia. The problem is perpetuated by a tightly closed social group. Many in the field of education run in very narrow circles. They believe that they are superior because of their chosen field. I know from personal experience that standing in front of a classroom day after day can give one a false sense of inflated self worth. It can make one believe that he is the authority.
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FriendGregory
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FEB 21, 07:04 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Threedog:Man, you guys really have no idea what socialism is.
I assume the systems that the Nordic countries have are not socialist because they work?
Well if they are not socialist, then Bernie Sanders is not socialist either. If they are socialist, then a socialist democracy can work. Which one is it? |
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Just for fun, what do you think of the Greece experience? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HoUIfV2nOs
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olejoedad
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FEB 21, 07:08 PM
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"I have been antiquated with ..."
Hey, I'm an antique too!
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williegoat
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FEB 21, 07:15 PM
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Here is another:
But I guess because it is more real people accounting first hand experience, it will be dismissed as anecdotal evidence.
And just one more:
I generally don't post videos for information, because they waste so much time and don't get to the point, but they seem to be preferred by many.[This message has been edited by williegoat (edited 02-21-2019).]
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williegoat
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FEB 21, 08:11 PM
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