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Rickady88GT
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SEP 23, 06:01 PM
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Rinselberg, before you threaten to post more left wing wishful propaganda, take a gander at this list of facts and attempt to answer line by line..........sense you seem to like long articles AND rather than adding more long articles,...this one has been here for quite a while without a response from you other than you don't like it here.

As of today, NOBODY has been charged with Insurrection or sedition or even homicide as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021
As of today, NOBODY has been charged with Advocating overthrow of Government (18 U.S. Code § 2385) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021
As of today, NOBODY has been charged with Threatening government officials of the United States (under 18 U.S.C. § 871 or 18 U.S. Code § 351 or 18 U.S. Code § 115 or any local statute) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021
As of today only 570 individuals], (<1.9 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC have been charged with a crime.
As of today only 35 individuals, (<0.10 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC have been charged with "conspiracy".
As of today only 35 individuals, (6.1 %) out of the 570 people arrested as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021 have been charged with "conspiracy".
As of today only 4 individuals, (0.7 %) out of the 570 people arrested as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021 have pled guilty to "conspiracy".
As of today only 23 individuals, (4.0 %) out of the 570 people arrested as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021 have pled guilty to any charges
As of today only 23 individuals, (<0.07 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC have pled guilty to any charges
As of today only 17 individuals, (<0.05 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC alleged to be members of the "Oath Keepers" group have been charged with a crime.
As of today only 12 individuals, (<0.04 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC alleged to be members of the "Proud Boys" group have been charged with a crime.
As of today only 1 needless homicide happened at the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC and it was committed by a Demorat with a documented history of mishandling his firearm.
As of today 1 unopened LEGO toy has been seized by the Biden administration as "evidence of a conspiracy" related to the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC
As of today the FBI has officially determined that THERE WAS NO INSURRECTION and that THERE WAS NO LARGE ORGANIZED CONSPIRACY BY ANY "RIGHT WING" GROUPS and that NEITHER FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP NOR ANY OF HIS ASSOCIATES OR ADVISORS WERE INVOLVED IN ANY PLANNING OF A RIOT OR VIOLENCE arising from the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of the January 6, 2021 rally in DC.
As of today the Leftist Congress is trying to soak the American taxpayers for HALF A BILLION DOLLARS in "damages" after telling the DOJ and the federal courts that the capitol building sustained $1.5 million in damages.
As of today 6 Capitol police officers are facing disciplinary action for their actions related to the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC
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randye
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SEP 23, 09:47 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Rickady88GT:
After 8 months of investigating, Rinselberg, how many people have been prosecuted? After 185 people being charged with assault or impeding Law Enforcement SOMETHING would have to happen? This is purely a political stunt and nothing will come from prosecutions except politicians kicking a dead horse for political gain. BTW, this is exactly the type of animal abuse pita endorses. |
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He doesn't have the "intellectual horsepower" to understand that his new favorite Leftist opinionistas are plowing old ground.
The DOJ has already determined LAST MONTH that it will not be criminally prosecuting INCOMPETENT COWARD Michael Byrd.
His latest piece of propaganda trash is a long, pointless screed from THIS MONTH on why INCOMPETENT COWARD Michael Byrd probably won't be criminally prosecuted.... 

He just cannot comprehend that the CIVIL LAWSUIT against INCOMPETENT COWARD Michael Byrd DOESN'T hinge on the OPINIONS of his LEFTIST COMRADES.
| quote | Originally posted by Rickady88GT:
Rinselberg, before you threaten to post more left wing wishful propaganda, take a gander at this list of facts and attempt to answer line by line..........sense you seem to like long articles AND rather than adding more long articles,...this one has been here for quite a while without a response from you other than you don't like it here.
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YUP.
He has made it more than obvious that the BREAKING NEWS irritates the sh*t out of him.
Leftists like him get very upset with facts.
Leftists like him are unable to control their own emotions.[This message has been edited by randye (edited 09-25-2021).]
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Rickady88GT
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SEP 23, 10:31 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by randye:
YUP.
He has made it more than obvious that the BREAKING NEWS irritates the sh*t out of him.
Leftists like him get very upset with facts.
Leftists like him are unable to control their own emotions.
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You know, I would actually be ok with a person who can't control emotions as long as they can still convey cognitive, rational thought through factual debate rather than obvious regurgitated thoughtless propaganda. In this thread Rinselberg has yet to display facts about the trespassers OR trespassing without leftist propaganda. He has been TOTALLY VOID of his own words without being diluted with propaganda AND HE ADMITS TO SUCH. His latest threats of posting LONG propaganda articles if I respond is evidence that he can't think and post his OWN THOUGHTS INTO WORDS. He lives on PFF Off Topic solely to repost other people's propaganda.
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rinselberg
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SEP 25, 08:16 AM
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Rick would be doing himself a favor to look at the article that I posted--this one:
"Evaluating the Police Shooting of Ashli Babbitt" Geoffrey Alpert, Jeff Noble, Seth Stoughton for "Lawfare"; September 9, 2021. https://www.lawfareblog.com...ooting-ashli-babbitt
The reason that I posted this article is to address one specific point that has come up in this thread, and it's not about the "narrative that the Capitol protest was a 'deadly insurrection.'"
Did Capitol Police Lt. Michael Byrd summarily impose capital punishment on a mere "trespasser" when fired the round that ultimately proved fatal to Ashli Babbitt?
The fact that the media has reported, some months after January 6, that the FBI has concluded that what happened on January 6 was not an Insurrection, is of no relevance whatsoever in judging the action of Capitol Police Lt. Michael Byrd. What is relevant is what Lt. Byrd could have been expected to know and understand, before and then at the very moment when he fired the round that killed Ashli Babbitt.
The FBI has not released any public statement about whether the events of January 6 were or were not an Insurrection. The media reported what they describe as the conclusions of sources with inside knowledge of the FBI's investigation(s)--but there's been no official statement on this from the FBI. I do not discredit what the media has reported on this point, but be aware that the FBI itself has not gone on public record with any statement or finding about whether or not the events of January 6 were an "Insurrection."
I also recommend this, from the U.S. Department of Justice--and it's brief. Just a few paragraphs.
"Department of Justice Closes Investigation into the Death of Ashli Babbitt" U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of Columbia; April 14, 2021. https://www.justice.gov/usa...-death-ashli-babbitt
 It's not the first time that I've posted this, from the U.S. DOJ, in this long and winding forum thread, but it bears repeating, because the idea that Capitol Police Lt. Michael Byrd "executed" or passed summary capital punishment on a mere "trespasser" when he shot and killed Ashli Babbitt keeps bobbing to the surface in this discussion, like the bloated corpse of a dead fish floating to the surface of an algae-infested freshwater lake.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 09-25-2021).]
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Rickady88GT
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SEP 25, 01:44 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
Rick would be doing himself a favor to look at the article that I posted--this one:
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I didn't read anything past this point. Just being honest. But it sounds like you reposted a previously posted post. So before we go down this route, I will ask you to address the "braking news" post before we move on. It is also VERY IMPORTANT to note that trespassing while unarmed is not a capital crime, and a badge is not a Judge, Jury or Executioner.
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rinselberg
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SEP 25, 02:15 PM
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The only thing that I repeated or reposted was the link to an April press release from the U.S. DOJ about their closing their investigation of the officer's use of deadly force against Ashli Babbitt.
"The narrative that the Capitol protest was a 'deadly insurrection' is falling apart." That's the title of this thread. What does that even mean? The "narrative"?
Certainly, no group or no individual has been indicted--to date--on the literal and legally exacting charge of "Sedition" or "Insurrection." Putting aside the second impeachment of President Trump, when he was charged by vote of the U.S. House of Representatives with "incitement to Insurrection", if memory serves me.
The "narrative" is not dead. Nancy P's "Select House Committee To Investigate January 6" has just issued subpoenas for the testimony of Steve Bannon, Dan Scavino, Kashyap or "Kash" Patel and Mark Meadows.
Rick and others here may think that the "narrative" should be dead, but in reality, it isn't dead. Not yet. And it won't breathe its dying breath anytime soon.
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williegoat
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SEP 25, 02:42 PM
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williegoat
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SEP 25, 03:16 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
Certainly, no group or no individual has been indicted--to date--on the literal and legally exacting charge of "Sedition" or "Insurrection." Putting aside the second impeachment of President Trump, when he was charged by vote of the U.S. House of Representatives with "incitement to Insurrection", if memory serves me.
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So, Trump was impeached for causing something that didn't happen.
| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
The "narrative" is not dead. Nancy P's "Select House Committee To Investigate January 6" has just issued subpoenas for the testimony of Steve Bannon, Dan Scavino, Kashyap or "Kash" Patel and Mark Meadows.
Rick and others here may think that the "narrative" should be dead, but in reality, it isn't dead. Not yet. And it won't breathe its dying breath anytime soon.
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Rickady88GT
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SEP 25, 03:31 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
Rick and others here may think that the "narrative" should be dead, but in reality, it isn't dead. Not yet. And it won't breathe its dying breath anytime soon.
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I will speak for myself using my own words. Others may have a different opinion than mine, so I can't claim to speak for them. I never believed in the "narrative" that you do. First and foremost, I do not believe Trump encouraged anyone to riot. Second I don't believe those people are all actually Trump supporters, there are "plants" in the group possibly antifa. Third I don't believe they even attempted to take anything over. There was no insurrection and no overthrow attempt. There was an attempt to disrupt Congress, it failed There was a small riot, it was dispersed in a few hours There was some property damage, something less than 2 million dollars There were some crimes committed that day and some of the people will be punished There were no reports of guns being recovered from the trespassers. Actually I don't remember seeing reports of ANY weapons recovered from the trespassers? There was some Police misconduct that day included a homicide AND THERE WAS TRESPASSING THAT DAY. For which the punishment is not DEATH.
So, as far as a "narrative" goes? I don't believe that your interpretation is valid as fact. I do agree with your assertion (if it is your words and not just another copy past oped) that this narrative of yours will not go away any time soon. It is the proverbial "tell a lie enough and people will believe it as fact". And it is so politically charged that people aren't even interested in the truth or facts, they have made up there minds and moved on to the next story. The very same week after the Jan6 trespassing, Republicans have already been saying this will be a democratic campaign story for 2024. It is living up to that expectation even though it is a false narrative.
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It is ironic that you posted this meme.
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randye
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SEP 25, 06:00 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
Certainly, no group or no individual has been indicted--to date--on the literal and legally exacting charge of "Sedition" or "Insurrection."
The "narrative" is not dead.
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Only in the diseased and delusional head of a Leftist could there be an "insurrection"..... without anyone "insurrecting".
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It's instructive to note that this is the same delusional mentality that desperately and pathetically clung to the "Trump - Russia Collusion" narrative even as it was systematically debunked and destroyed.[This message has been edited by randye (edited 09-25-2021).]
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