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maryjane
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FEB 15, 05:11 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
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The NTSB only has the data recorded. The recorders have to be calibrated at regular intervals. Including speed radar from local traffic cops. |
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I assume you are joking but if not...........the data recorders can only be recalibrated by the sensor manufacturer. Usually, they need no recalibration.
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blackrams
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FEB 16, 07:50 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
Instructed who?
(I never saw any ATC report saying that to any aircraft regarding this accident)..you have a link to it?)
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Based on an earlier report, I remember it was stated that the Army Tower told the Blackhawk to return to base. I don't have a link to it, it may have been on TV but, I will look for it.
Edited: While I do remember the report, I'm not finding anything after reading several articles. Maybe my imagination has gotten the best of me or, I am simply not remembering the report precisely. Admittedly, it is possible.
Rams[This message has been edited by blackrams (edited 02-16-2025).]
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maryjane
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FEB 16, 12:51 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
Based on an earlier report, I remember it was stated that the Army Tower told the Blackhawk to return to base. I don't have a link to it, it may have been on TV but, I will look for it.
Edited: While I do remember the report, I'm not finding anything after reading several articles. Maybe my imagination has gotten the best of me or, I am simply not remembering the report precisely. Admittedly, it is possible.
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I think that would have been bad business having 2 different controllers giving different instructions to the same AC in the same airspace. Having the Blackhawk just turn around and head back to Ft Belvoir without a handshake from Reagan ATC might look good in hindsight but in reality might have caused more problems than it already has.
I can listen in, and watch here to Killeen/Ft Hood air and some ground tactical activity and once an Army helo gets over about 100ft altitude, it's released 100% to Killeen tower, they have to get permission from Killeen ATC before even launching and then Killeen will tell them which direction to proceed, what their traffic is, and at which altitude. All you need to listen in to Millington or Memphis is a good scanner that can receive VHF frequencies between 118.0 and 136.975 MHz. There's a way to do it on some smart phones but I haven't really looked in to it. I have a 3 year old Whistler hand held. I heard something about them folding up last year tho.
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cliffw
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FEB 16, 01:25 PM
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blackrams
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FEB 16, 06:18 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
I think that would have been bad business having 2 different controllers giving different instructions to the same AC in the same airspace. Having the Blackhawk just turn around and head back to Ft Belvoir without a handshake from Reagan ATC might look good in hindsight but in reality might have caused more problems than it already has.
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Agreed, I'm probably not correct but, I sure thought I read the Army airfield was recalling the Blackhawk. Oh well. Shrugg.
Rams
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maryjane
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FEB 16, 07:26 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
Agreed, I'm probably not correct but, I sure thought I read the Army airfield was recalling the Blackhawk. Oh well. Shrugg.
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They probably do, under a certain ceiling but I know here, even a very low altitude test hop over by the maintenance pad gets Killeen atc.
Now, This being a joint air facility I suspect the tower has both civilian and mil controllers but by far the majority of the traffic here is civilian air liners and gen aviation.
(The Robert Gray Army Airfield's 2 big helo pads are empty since 3rd Corp's the air cav segment moved elsewhere They keep a few Blackhawks and Chinooks but they're almost always parked about 8 n miles to the west, across I-14. I think they keep one Blackhawk over by the terminal as a SAR bird)
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blackrams
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FEB 16, 11:34 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
They probably do, under a certain ceiling but I know here, even a very low altitude test hop over by the maintenance pad gets Killeen atc.
Now, This being a joint air facility I suspect the tower has both civilian and mil controllers but by far the majority of the traffic here is civilian air liners and gen aviation.
(The Robert Gray Army Airfield's 2 big helo pads are empty since 3rd Corp's the air cav segment moved elsewhere They keep a few Blackhawks and Chinooks but they're almost always parked about 8 n miles to the west, across I-14. I think they keep one Blackhawk over by the terminal as a SAR bird)
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Don,
Just speculation on my part but, I suspect the Army Tower's controlled airspace was only within their pattern (most likely defined by some physical landmarks so as to avoid noise issues and restricted airspace), below the 200 foot altitude and aircraft leaving there would switch over to the civilian tower once departing the Army pattern. Just a SWAG on my part.
Rams
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