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blackrams
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FEB 06, 07:03 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
Keep in mind this balloon entered North American airspace over Alaska. Just saying...
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Yep, I'm fully aware of that but, it does appear Canada didn't have a clue of its existence or if known, never said a word about it. Oh, we're apparently just as guilty, we apparently didn't think enough to even warn your folks. Although the track you've presented is significantly different that what was or is being shown here.
It's always good to know who has your six (Or in this case 12).
Rams[This message has been edited by blackrams (edited 02-06-2023).]
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Patrick
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FEB 06, 07:12 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
...it does appear Canada didn't have a clue of its existence or if known, never said a word about it.
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Being unannounced does not necessarily imply being undetected.
| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
...the track you've presented is significantly different that what was or is being shown here.
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I presented the route as posted Here at Wikipedia. Do you have a more accurate track you can share?[This message has been edited by Patrick (edited 02-06-2023).]
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blackrams
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FEB 06, 08:00 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
I presented the route as posted Here at Wikipedia. Do you have a more accurate track you can share?
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Patrick,
Unannounced versus undetected or maybe unknown............... Does Canada have any radar or detection capability? I ask because I don't know.
Or does Cananda depend on the US to that? Again, I don't know.
Reference the track, I don't know that anyone has a more accurate track, the ones I have been seeing show the track to be further south, south of the Aleutian Islands but, I honestly don't know what is most accurate.
Rams
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blackrams
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FEB 06, 08:02 PM
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Oopa
Rams[This message has been edited by blackrams (edited 02-07-2023).]
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Patrick
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FEB 06, 08:29 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
Does Canada have any radar or detection capability?
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Ron... seriously?
| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
All the way across Canada would be from...
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...Vancouver Island on the west coast to Newfoundland on the east coast.[This message has been edited by Patrick (edited 02-06-2023).]
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MidEngineManiac
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FEB 06, 09:17 PM
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Rams, We have F/A-18's, Northern bases, NORAD, and some pretty damn good tech stuff. A polar bear cant fart without us knowing about it.
Now actually having the political will, thats a different story. If that thing didnt get taken down over the Canadian Rockies it's because somebody didnt want it down.
But we are saved, Wagner group is going to sort things out for us !! 
https://twitter.com/AZgeopo...?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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maryjane
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FEB 06, 10:34 PM
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ya have to be careful making a blanket statement for that much territory and it's airspace in regards to altitude.
Few if any radars can search and detect the entire air space at all altitudes fromsea level to the ionosphere and horizon to horizon.
USAF (Space Force now) for instance has PAVEPAWS in Alaska that specifically searches Westward and Northwestward using it's AN/FPS 117 long range phased array but not at all altitudes. It can scan as much as 240° north to south but only 3° to 10° elevation, watching for ICBM launches as the missiles rise from ground up toward apogee at around 1200 miles above the earth's surface.
The short gap filler in Alaska and across Canada is the FPS-124, scans 360° but it is short range (1-70 miles in distance) and up to only 15,000 ft.
According to almost all reports, as few as 4 and as many as 8 (depndingwhich former NORAD general is talking) of these Chinese balloons crossed the US/North America air space in time fram 2016-2020 and went undetected and unreported to the Pentagon or by the US military until after they had exited North American air space and out into the Atlantic. At least one crossed over Texas. None were shot down.
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maryjane
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FEB 06, 10:44 PM
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If you look close, you will find that almost all of the Norad stuff is operated and actually owned by USAF/USSC by contract between Canada and the US, with only the sites being owned by Canada. But, this is normal, thru out the world. It's cheaper to lease and pay someone else to do these sorts of things than each individual nation to have their own. This arrangement also makes it much much easier for the entire network to handshake and share information, instead of a hodge podge of different types and spec facilities.
It's not that Canada can't afford their own or that they are technologically incapable of going it alone, it's just that this is the deal that was hammered out decades ago between these 2 (and other) nations and their govts. It works out well for both nations and USA wouldbe hard pressed tofind replacement sites if Canada were to pull a Charles DeGaulle and throw us out.
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Patrick
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FEB 06, 10:54 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
ya have to be careful making a blanket statement...
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 What was my "blanket statement"?
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maryjane
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FEB 06, 11:08 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
What was my "blanket statement"?
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Coverage is only a small bit of the actual airspace involved.
FPS124 won't reach the altitude the balloon was reported to be flying at for most of it's jouney across North America. Neither will FPS 117 at close ranges due to being 10° above line of sight horizon.
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