737 crash in China (Page 7/8) Hudini MAR 29, 01:33 AM When their version of the A320 and B737 (C919) is ready you can bet every airline here will be required to use them. I would be surprised though if the gov makes the locals use it exclusively. These guys are famous for squeaking when they walk so expect whichever of the 3 is cheapest to rule the sky in the greatest numbers. maryjane MAR 30, 12:52 AM According to this: https://www.businessinsider...-narrowbodies-2022-2 Although the exact price tag has not been made public by Comac, analysts estimate a single C919 plane would cost buyers about $50 million. That is about 60% less than Boeing's 737 MAX 8 and 55% less than Airbus' A320neo, which are $121.6 million and $110.6 million, respectively, as of 2021. 82-T/A [At Work] MAR 30, 09:18 AM quote Originally posted by maryjane: According to this: https://www.businessinsider...-narrowbodies-2022-2 Although the exact price tag has not been made public by Comac, analysts estimate a single C919 plane would cost buyers about $50 million. That is about 60% less than Boeing's 737 MAX 8 and 55% less than Airbus' A320neo, which are $121.6 million and $110.6 million, respectively, as of 2021. Yeah... I can see that. A few random thoughts... China doesn't have unions (that I'm aware of)... certainly not the same kind we have where there are work stoppages. Lots of people in China still going from total poverty to their Communist-version of Capitalism to build wealth... so lots of cheap labor. I think that's the biggest aspect of it. I want to believe that there's less regulation in building it... but I don't know enough about this topic. Is there a worldwide aviation certification board that manages what planes are allowed to land at various airports... or is the Federal Aviation Administration (US-based) the defacto here? Communism is the embodiment of bureaucracy and administration, so I guess I can't use that excuse. Hudini MAR 30, 09:58 AM ICAO is the worldwide body that specifies aviation rules on an international basis. However, each country manages it's own borders and the rules within. Normally ICAO and local rules are the same, no matter the country. There are exceptions though. For instance, ICAO says that the cockpit voice recording should only be used for accident investigation, not punishment. Here it's used for punishment on a daily basis. We had one crew punished for talking about normal stuff during cruise flight. You never, ever discuss politics or criticize dear leader in the cockpit. Big Brother is always listening, especially to foreigners. Here it's the CAAC, in the US it's the FAA, in Europe it's the JAA. An airplane certified by an aviation authority can normally operate in every country by agreement. The FAA used to be the gold standard until the 737 Max completely destroyed that trust. Now the different regulators are wanting to get in on the approval process. Whether or not an aircraft can operate at a given airport is up to the operator of that aircraft. Pilots of commercial aircraft are assumed to have the proper licenses to operate that aircraft. Every once in a while we get "ramp checked" by an authority to check our license, medical cert, aircraft documents, etc. It's rare and it's nerve racking because if something is wrong they can ground the aircraft right then and there. I've been ramp checked in Japan, Macao, and Nanning in the PRC. 82-T/A [At Work] MAR 30, 12:17 PM quote Originally posted by Hudini: ICAO is the worldwide body that specifies aviation rules on an international basis. However, each country manages it's own borders and the rules within. Normally ICAO and local rules are the same, no matter the country. There are exceptions though. For instance, ICAO says that the cockpit voice recording should only be used for accident investigation, not punishment. Here it's used for punishment on a daily basis. We had one crew punished for talking about normal stuff during cruise flight. You never, ever discuss politics or criticize dear leader in the cockpit. Big Brother is always listening, especially to foreigners. Here it's the CAAC, in the US it's the FAA, in Europe it's the JAA. An airplane certified by an aviation authority can normally operate in every country by agreement. The FAA used to be the gold standard until the 737 Max completely destroyed that trust. Now the different regulators are wanting to get in on the approval process. Whether or not an aircraft can operate at a given airport is up to the operator of that aircraft. Pilots of commercial aircraft are assumed to have the proper licenses to operate that aircraft. Every once in a while we get "ramp checked" by an authority to check our license, medical cert, aircraft documents, etc. It's rare and it's nerve racking because if something is wrong they can ground the aircraft right then and there. I've been ramp checked in Japan, Macao, and Nanning in the PRC. Thanks! That was really informative. I have to assume that with China, it will be a matter of pride as much as propaganda, so they'll want to make sure they get it right for the sheer fact that they can show the world that they're a force to be reckoned with. Hudini APR 12, 08:19 AM Unconfirmed rumor is suicide by pilot. Hudini APR 12, 08:44 AM Not a rumor Hudini APR 12, 08:46 AM They knew 20 minutes after the crash what happened. Now the punishment begins. All the pilots have a 100 question test coming in two days. olejoedad APR 12, 08:59 AM Interesting. No thought for the people he took with him. Not a society to be trusted by America. Raydar APR 12, 01:00 PM quote Originally posted by olejoedad: Interesting. No thought for the people he took with him. Not a society to be trusted by America. I'm quite sure he thought about them. And he also likely thought it would make one hell of a statement, and create a huge scandal. Much more than if he had just flown an empty aircraft into the ground.