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ray b
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JAN 16, 11:41 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by LitebulbwithaFiero:
So are you arguing all the Capitol Police officers present should be charged for her death and not just the one shot her? |
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well if and only if
the cops conspired to try to prevent the valid actions of government
and killed her as a direct result of their crime
but that would be the invaders NOT the cops who were the defense
if one could prove cop assisted the invaders THEN one may claim such a charge is valid and proper under current law
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LitebulbwithaFiero
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JAN 16, 11:48 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by ray b:
well if and only if
the cops conspired to try to prevent the valid actions of government
and killed her as a direct result of their crime
but that would be the invaders NOT the cops who were the defense
if one could prove cop assisted the invaders THEN one may claim such a charge is valid and proper under current law |
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Videos posted in the thread you got locked showed the cops opening doors and welcoming "the invaders" in.
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rinselberg
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JAN 16, 01:37 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by LitebulbwithaFiero:
Videos posted in the thread you got locked showed the cops opening doors and welcoming "the invaders" in. |
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Don't put it all on "ray b" that the original thread was locked. I'm sure that's not the case.
How many of the rioters gained access to the Capitol Building through doors that were purposely let open by Capitol Police?
That's a fair question to ask of anyone who wants to make that a talking point--and what are the implications?
"I was let inside the Capitol Building through a door that was opened for me by the Capitol Police." I wonder how that would stand up in court as an argument in defense of any of the suspects? "Oh--didn't you see that other Stop The Steal protesters were bludgeoning the cops and forcing their way into the Capitol Building by smashing through other doors and windows? Did you think that the door that was opened for you was a legitimate invitation to enter the Capitol Building, and an invitation that you could accept without incurring criminal liability upon yourself?"
I dunno. I'm not a lawyer.
I don't think the "I was welcomed inside the Capitol Building by the Capitol Police" narrative, even if true in certain cases, changes the trajectory of the more serious indictments that have been put against individuals by the DOJ--notably, the indictments on the charge of Seditious Conspiracy that were just filed against 11 of the Stop The Steal'ers.
Or changes the trajectory of the House Select Committee on January 6 and what they are eventually going to publish as their final report. Which I think will include recommendations for legislative changes to the Electoral Count Act of 1887. Changes to that law to raise thresholds and reduce the temptation for any future defeated President or Presidential candidate (Rump 2024) to attempt a Green Bay Sweep. And if you don't know about a "Green Bay Sweep", then you are uninformed about one of the most important aspects of what happened at the Capitol Building on January 6.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 01-16-2022).]
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randye
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JAN 16, 08:21 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
I dunno. I'm not a lawyer.
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THAT and the fact that you Leftists are so notoriously incapable of evaluating even the most basic data is why you have been WRONG on nearly every single matter and NOTHING of any real consequence has come of any of the things you hoot about endlessly.
It's why you spent 4 YEARS incessantly barking "RUSSIAN COLLUSION !!".
It's why you spent 2 YEARS honking incessantly on this forum about your "Legendary Lawman" and the moribund "Mueller investigation"
It's why you spent 3 YEARS quacking about Lt. General Flynn.
It's why you are now babbling nonsense about a "Green Bay Sweep" and your "January 6 Committee"
You "dunno".[This message has been edited by randye (edited 01-18-2022).]
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randye
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JAN 16, 08:55 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by ray b:
so if a burglary results in a death even the perpetrator's their crime makes all the involved guilty of first degree murder
again do you ever read the links or just post BS over and over
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WOW!
I actually GAVE YOU the federal law and you STILL mucked it up.
It's really clear now why Leftists think and believe the incredibly garbled and dumb things that you do.
The old adage of "You can lead a Leftist to knowledge but you can't make him think" really applies here.
Let's look at the ENTIRE WORDING of 18 U.S. Code § 1111 - Murder, para (a) that you barely managed to paste a few words from without ever comprehending the whole it....not even a small part of it.
Let's also break it down into somewhat "digestible chunks" so that even the most "Dunning-Kruger" afflicted Leftie can maybe get a slight glimmer of understanding:
18 U.S. Code § 1111 - Murder
(a) Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being with malice aforethought.
Every murder perpetrated by poison, lying in wait, or any other kind of willful, deliberate, malicious, and premeditated killing;
or committed in the perpetration of, or attempt to perpetrate, any arson, escape, murder, kidnapping, treason, espionage, sabotage, aggravated sexual abuse or sexual abuse, child abuse, burglary, or robbery; or perpetrated as part of a pattern or practice of assault or torture against a child or children; or perpetrated from a premeditated design unlawfully and maliciously to effect the death of any human being other than him who is killed,
is murder in the first degree.
Absolutely NOWHERE in any of that does it specify any equivalent to the analogous "felony-murder rule" as adopted in 46 out of 50 individual states and as you have described it.
I'll repeat it again:
"There is NO federal "felony-murder rule " as codified in various states law.
Having been generous and patient to a fault with you, at this point it's now glaringly apparent that you are completely incapable of grasping even the most rudimentary of things, even when you are given the answers.
Doubtless, like all Leftists, you will now declare some sort of childish "victory" and strut ignorantly about.
I've rarely seen someone as doggedly determined to keep arguing something over and over that he so obviously knows NOTHING about....
... but you Leftists gotta Leftist ....so this particular line of "discussion" with you is OVER.[This message has been edited by randye (edited 01-17-2022).]
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randye
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JAN 16, 10:40 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by williegoat:
It .. ... what it .. ...!
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What it really is, is a deleted double post I made. I then decided it was also a convenient "place holder" for an additional comment later.
The post after it is proof positive that I have a Leftist troll shadowing me after every post that I make in this and other threads.[This message has been edited by randye (edited 01-16-2022).]
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randye
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JAN 17, 02:12 AM
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As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH INSURRECTION ( 18 U.S. Code 115 § 2383) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021
As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH TREASON ( 18 U.S. Code 115 § 2381) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021
As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH MISPRISION OF TREASON ( 18 U.S. Code 115 § 2382) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021
As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH ADVOCATING OVERTHROW OF GOVERNMENT (18 U.S. Code 115 § 2385) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021
As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH THREATENING GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS OF THE UNITED STATES (under 18 U.S.C. § 871 or 18 U.S. Code § 351 or 18 U.S. Code § 115 or any local statute) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021
As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH TERRORISM (18 U.S. Code CHAPTER 113B § 2331) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021
As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH RIOT (18 U.S. Code § 2101) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021
As of today only 650 individuals], (0.05 %) out of the >120,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC have been charged with a crime
As of today only 36 individuals, (<0.03 %) out of the >120,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC have been charged with "conspiracy".
As of today only 11 individuals, (0.009 %) out of the >120,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC have been charged with "seditious conspiracy".
As of today only 11 individuals, (1.6 %) out of the 650 people arrested as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021 have been charged with "seditious conspiracy".
As of today only 36 individuals, (5.5 %) out of the 650 people arrested as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021 have been charged with "conspiracy".
As of today only 4 individuals, (0.6 %) out of the 650 people arrested as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021 have pled guilty to "conspiracy".
As of today only 165 individuals, (25 %) out of the 650 people arrested as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021 have pled guilty to any charges.
As of today only 165 individuals, (0.13 %) out of the >120,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC have pled guilty to any charges
As of today only 18 individuals, (0.01 %) out of the >120,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC alleged to be members of the "Oath Keepers" group have been charged with a crime.
As of today only 12 individuals, (<0.01 %) out of the >120,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC alleged to be members of the "Proud Boys" group have been charged with a crime.
As of today only 1 needless homicide happened at the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC and it was committed by a Demorat with a documented history of mishandling his firearm.
As of today 1 unopened LEGO toy has been seized by the Biden administration as "evidence of a conspiracy" related to the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC
As of today the FBI has officially determined that THERE WAS NO INSURRECTION and that THERE WAS NO LARGE ORGANIZED CONSPIRACY BY ANY "RIGHT WING" GROUPS and that NEITHER FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP NOR ANY OF HIS ASSOCIATES OR ADVISORS WERE INVOLVED IN ANY PLANNING OF A RIOT OR VIOLENCE arising from the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of the January 6, 2021 rally in DC.
As of today the Leftist Congress is trying to soak the American taxpayers for HALF A BILLION DOLLARS in "damages" after telling the DOJ and the federal courts that the capitol building sustained $1.5 million in damages.[This message has been edited by randye (edited 01-17-2022).]
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rinselberg
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JAN 17, 02:22 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by randye:
What it really is, is a deleted double post I made. I then decided it was also a convenient "place holder" for an additional comment later.
The post after it is proof positive that I have a Leftist troll shadowing me after every post that I make in this and other threads. |
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Who is this "we" that you (randye) keep saying, as if you represent more than just yourself on this forum?
I see you just did it again, on the " 2022 CONGRESSIONAL MIDTERM ELECTIONS" thread.
Is it some social media network that you are part of, and the other ones never show up here to confirm that they want you to speak for them on this forum?
I can't imagine that it improves your standing with any of the other forum members--and that's a relative few--whose messages I enjoy seeing and reading in this Totally O/T section.
There aren't that many forum members that do O/T on a regular basis. You are the only one that I go out of my way to barricade from getting in front of my eyes (for the most part.)
I'm aware that you said something else before, where you made something of the word "lawyer" that I used. But I have no idea what you said, other than the word "lawyer". I don't want to. You have no interest in civil discourse, and I have no interest in anyone who has no interest in civil discourse.
"And that's the name of that tune..."[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 01-17-2022).]
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randye
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JAN 17, 02:45 AM
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Just like clockwork, there you are again.
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AND to prove what a TROLL you are:
| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
Who is this "we" that you (randye) keep saying, as if you represent more than just yourself on this forum?
I see you just did it again, on the " 2022 CONGRESSIONAL MIDTERM ELECTIONS" thread.
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You are blocked by Cliff Pennock from posting in threads that I start, as am I from the ones that you start.
So instead you come to this thread and try to start crap with me about a thread that you can't post in.
NOBODY EVEN MENTIONED YOU in that thread anyway. It has nothing to do with you
Then just to prove what a Leftist Troll you are, you also want to cry about what PRONOUNS I use.
It's astonishing how you always act like Cliff's rules apply to everyone except you, so I'll let him know about your attempt to circumvent his rule.[This message has been edited by randye (edited 01-18-2022).]
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olejoedad
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JAN 17, 11:55 AM
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