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blackrams APR 11, 09:40 PM
Why anyone not from TN would think their opinion mattered on this is a mystery to me. Not that I really care, I'm not from or living in TN.
As I previously said, it's their state, their capital building, their history. They can do what they want with it. Very similar to what CA does.............

Rams
randye APR 11, 09:47 PM

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Originally posted by blackrams:

Why anyone not from TN would think their opinion mattered on this is a mystery to me. Not that I really care, I'm not from or living in TN.
As I previously said, it's their state, their capital building, their history. They can do what they want with it. Very similar to what CA does.............

Rams



Accordingly, what each of the 50 states has independently displayed in the United States Capital building is also their choice.

Despite all of the recent belly-aching and complaining from Leftists, including Ol' San Fran Nan Pelosi, to date ONLY Virginia's statue of Robert E. Lee has been removed (December 2020) after 111 YEARS on display in that building.

I am sure that Leftists, especially California Leftists, are shocked and dismayed to learn that what they FEEL does not control what other states do.

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rinselberg APR 11, 10:16 PM

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Originally posted by randye:
I am sure that Leftists, especially California Leftists, are shocked and dismayed to learn that what they FEEL does not control what other states do.


That's a remarkably stupid remark, given that I have said nothing that could possibly be construed by any competent reader of English as my having any influence in this matter of the bronzes in the TN State Capitol Building, or of my believing that I have any influence in this matter, or of my being "shocked" or "dismayed" that the bronzes are still in place and that there is still haggling about whether they are going to be moved. "Surprised" . . . "disappointed" . . . but not shocked or dismayed.

It's all been for the sake of discussion. Nothing more than that.
randye APR 11, 10:28 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

That's a remarkably stupid remark,




ONCE MORE, you are



You allowed your EMOTIONS to control you rather than FACTS.

I specifically named "Ol' San Fran Nan Pelosi" ...NOT YOU

In point of fact, I was replying to "blackrams". I was not even addressing YOU or your comments.

THE WORLD, including this forum, DOES NOT REVOLVE AROUND YOU.

If you want to question someone's reading competency or call someone STUPID, look in the mirror.

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blackrams APR 11, 11:28 PM
There seems to be some "excitement" to seeing one's screen name lit up. I don't understand it but, I really don't seek or need the attention. I admittedly do espouse my opinion from time time to time but, not nearly as much as some.

Rams
maryjane APR 11, 11:57 PM

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Originally posted by blackrams:

Why anyone not from TN would think their opinion mattered on this is a mystery to me. Not that I really care, I'm not from or living in TN.
As I previously said, it's their state, their capital building, their history. They can do what they want with it. Very similar to what CA does.............

Rams



Whether any specific member's opinion 'matters' or not does not in any way negate their PFF right to state said opinion, just as you did state yours above.

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I very much suspect, if one of the members from California (or Tx or Ms, or BFE), had come out and stated they were against the statue's move, there would be not a word said in opposition to their post.

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randye APR 12, 12:28 AM

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Originally posted by maryjane:

Whether any specific member's opinion 'matters' or not does not in any way negate their PFF right to state said opinion, just as you did state yours above.




I suppose you will have to specifically point out where anyone's right to post an opinion in this thread was questioned or denied.

The observation was whether or not an expressed opinion matters.

That would equally apply to your opinion or mine.

While others may have a right to opine on what you should do with your cattle, your statues or your flags, ultimately the decision, (within law), is yours alone.

That also holds true for citizens in TN, MS, CA, FL, TEXAS or BFE

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maryjane APR 12, 02:09 AM

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Originally posted by randye:


I suppose you will have to specifically point out where anyone's right to post an opinion in this thread was questioned or denied.

The observation was whether or not an expressed opinion matters.

That would equally apply to your opinion or mine.

While others may have a right to opine on what you should do with your cattle, your statues or your flags, ultimately the decision, (within law), is yours alone.

That also holds true for citizens in TN, MS, CA, FL, TEXAS or BFE



Absolutely, which is why I wondered why would anyone would ask such a question to begin with. Why do we opine regarding what happens in Ca, or NY, The Ukraine, or Iran or anywhere else?
The answer is, that Each of our opinions matter to us, otherwise, we wouldn't bother posting them.

Tourism is the #2 economic money maker in Tennessee (agriculture is #1) and more and more, social/political issues in any given state/region play into visitor's tourism plans. Tn, pre covid, was down the list of Southeast US destinations, trailing behind Fla, Ga, La, both Carolina's and all the SE states are vying for tourist's dollars, specifically out of state dollars. If anyone believes demographic/social groups don't have implications going forward, they aren't looking at a very big picture.

I personally don't give a rat's behind if anyone visits my state or not, (afraid they might decide to stay) but I do understand tourism's impact on my state's coffers.
Every traveler, business or tourist, spends $$ in each state they travel thru and to. States most and least traveled (all reasons) with top and bottom outlined.


Tennessee wants to move up in the standings.



I personally believe we should, as a nation and individual states, preserve and illuminate both our 'good and bad' history for the ages, and not try to minimize our dark parts while illuminating our better parts. Shunting the bad off to a less conspicuous location is doing exactly that.

(An example of that in my own state would include the dark days of the early 1900s when the storied Texas Rangers themselves became lawless and murdered hundreds of Texas citizens, mostly Hispanic in South Texas. I am not in favor of the Ranger statues being removed but am in favor of the whole story being told, that period, thru desegregation as well as before and since, for all to see. I wear Texas shame same as Texas pride.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...anales_investigation

And no, I don't care one bit if anyone thinks my opinon matters or not.

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randye APR 12, 06:25 AM

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Originally posted by maryjane:

Tourism is the #2 economic money maker in Tennessee (agriculture is #1) and more and more, social/political issues in any given state/region play into visitor's tourism plans. Tn, pre covid, was down the list of Southeast US destinations, trailing behind Fla, Ga, La, both Carolina's and all the SE states are vying for tourist's dollars, specifically out of state dollars. If anyone believes demographic/social groups don't have implications going forward, they aren't looking at a very big picture.

I personally don't give a rat's behind if anyone visits my state or not, (afraid they might decide to stay) but I do understand tourism's impact on my state's coffers.
Every traveler, business or tourist, spends $$ in each state they travel thru and to. States most and least traveled (all reasons) with top and bottom outlined.


Tennessee wants to move up in the standings.




When I was a young lad my mother was a fan of the movie "Gone With The Wind", so much so that she convinced my Dad to drag all of us along on a summer vacation through 4 different southern states so she could tour Antebellum mansions.

Many of those magnificent plantation mansions are now on state and Federal historical site registries and marked, as well as funded, for preservation.

I'm absolutely certain that there are some today whose opinion, owing to their personal politics, is that those old plantations should be completely leveled to leave no trace of them having ever existed and the ground they stood on salted.

Thankfully their opinions don't matter and those beautiful old plantation homes and their history are well preserved today and they still generate a lot of tourist dollars.

blackrams APR 12, 08:00 AM

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Originally posted by maryjane:


I very much suspect, if one of the members from California (or Tx or Ms, or BFE), had come out and stated they were against the statue's move, there would be not a word said in opposition to their post.




Admittedly, you would probably be correct. Thanks for posting and pointing out the obvious.

The point was, that opinions from anyone outside the state of TN didn't and don't matter. But, I suspect you already knew that.

I'm not surprised you decided to hop onto this. Kind of follows the path you've taken the last few years. That's OK.

I also don't wish for others to either visit or pass through MS. Too damn much traffic already.


Rams

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