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2.5 MAR 15, 03:55 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

Covid is nature's way of reminding Americans that they need a federal government.





Nature is an environment, it doesnt care about anything.

Government though, it does care more and more about its relevancy.
rinselberg MAR 16, 05:52 AM

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Originally posted by maryjane:
The NHTSA auto accident fatality numbers are not complete for 2020 but nationwide, there were 16,988 traffic fatalities in 2019 out of 228,680,000 licensed drivers in the same year. The preliminary numbers for 2020 traffic fatalities stand at 42,060.


The NHTSA has reported 36,096 traffic fatalities for 2019.
https://www.nhtsa.gov/press...fatalities-2019-fars

That number from maryjane (16,988) is in error, but correcting it to 36,096 does not change his message in any significant way.

Such are my findings.
rinselberg MAR 16, 06:17 AM

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Originally posted by 2.5:

Nature is an environment, it doesnt care about anything.

Government though, it does care more and more about its relevancy.


Absolutely. I couldn't agree more. Nature doesn't care about anything. The Covid virus doesn't care about anything.

I was engaging in a figure of speech when I remarked that "Covid is nature's way of reminding Americans that they need a federal government."

My purpose was to "neg" or deprecate what became known as the Trump administration's "all of government" response to the Covid pandemic, and to draw a contrast (by implication) with the first 50+ days of the Biden administration, which is currently polling at or above a 60 percent approval rating on "handling of Covid."

An almost astronomical 67 percent was reported just two days ago in Forbes.

[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 03-16-2021).]

sourmash MAR 16, 07:44 AM
Yeah, and he won the election and there was no election fraud and Corona virus is caused by global warming and spiking gas prices can't be blamed on him and Syria and Iran need a war started on them and guns need banning.
rinselberg MAR 16, 08:00 AM

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Originally posted by sourmash:
Yeah, and he won the election and there was no election fraud and Corona virus is caused by global warming and spiking gas prices can't be blamed on him and Syria and Iran need a war started on them and guns need banning.


Ah, the voice of reason. There are so many such voices these days.
sourmash MAR 16, 08:20 AM
I like wind, solar and geo-thermal.
Now we all know you can win an election by hiding in the basement.
We now know you don't have to hold press conferences, especially live ones.
maryjane MAR 16, 09:04 AM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Why do you do this ridiculous stuff? Every time someone challenges you, you immediately go to a completely outrageous straw-man argument. You're literally comparing people who are questioning the Government's COVID numbers with people who say that others are being abducted by aliens to be anal probed... etc. This is completely ridiculous. You do this because you want to effectively conflate something completely ridiculous, with an otherwise totally legitimate criticism of the Government.

The Government ALWAYS lies about things if / when it leads to the benefit of the current administration to do so. When the economy is really bad, and it points directly to someone who's in charge, the Federal government fudges those numbers by giving really bad estimates, and in some cases actually changing the metric by which these numbers are determined. Three times in the past 20 years the Federal government has "updated" the means by which the unemployment number is calculated. The most recently under Obama was to no longer include people who are on full-time welfare... which is absurd, because if you're on welfare (not disability), you're unemployed in my book.

The government is right now lying (and in most cases, withholding) about the number of people coming across, and the numbers we are getting are coming from the state governments. When you do this, you lose respect as a critical thinker... at least from me, if you even care... and maybe you don't care, and that's totally OK. But what is obvious is that this is the usual diversionary tactic to "discredit" the discussion of the other person. This only means to me that this is an emotional topic for you... perhaps because you yourself are concerned since you and your wife might be in the age group who is more at risk. I understand and appreciate that... but this isn't how you discuss logic.


It's no more 'ridiculous' than the baseless unproven "I've heard/we've all 'heard/I have a friend that knows someone that's a nurse and she said.." people that were claimed to have died from Covid in auto accidents and yet you never call those illogical claims out. Until proven otherwise, I will continue to believe that only one or 2 actual instances of that auto death thing happened, and as the link I provided showed, it was an outlier and was corrected.
Speculation and hearsay is not proof.

Yes, I DO believe there are variances in the data, as there always is when dealing with milliions of cases (of anything) but I also believe (and until proven otherwise) will continue to believe the variances are statistically and realistically insignificant.

IF I were to fall for the 'numbers are grossly misstated' it would be in the opposite direction. Due to the number of people I have seen claim they had covid (some as early as Dec 2019) got over it without ever seeing a doctor and were never tested, I could be led to believe there are a lot more total cases than 'officially' reported.
Here in OT, we really only have a core group of about 30 regulars but I know of at least 4-5 people that fall in the group that said they had it 'anonymously'. 4/30
"IF", that ratio holds true in the total population, then the total US caseload is grossly undercounted, but since it is simply opinion of those 4-5 people (unproven by tests) then I discard it as no more than a 'maybe'.

I didn't ask for much. Just some quantitative data proving these claims that the counts are significantly in error.
After months of asking, all I've heard are crickets in the dark.
I don't expect that to change either.

PROVE the numbers wrong.

(edited for glaring typos)

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sourmash MAR 16, 09:48 AM
Don't enter this in a search engine:

"Man killed in accident called covid 19"

It will wreck your persona to the core, or probably will make you continue to spread flawed propaganda.

Marvin Hagler is now dead. Prior to death social media from family and friends said he was in ICU recovering from complications from the vaccine. After his death they denied it was vaccine related.
2.5 MAR 16, 01:57 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

Trump administration'sresponse to the Covid pandemic
contrast
the Biden administration,




LOL
Hudini MAR 16, 06:37 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

Absolutely. I couldn't agree more. Nature doesn't care about anything. The Covid virus doesn't care about anything.

I was engaging in a figure of speech when I remarked that "Covid is nature's way of reminding Americans that they need a federal government."

My purpose was to "neg" or deprecate what became known as the Trump administration's "all of government" response to the Covid pandemic, and to draw a contrast (by implication) with the first 50+ days of the Biden administration, which is currently polling at or above a 60 percent approval rating on "handling of Covid."

An almost astronomical 67 percent was reported just two days ago in Forbes.




That's absolutely hilarious. Hidin' Biden taking credit for Trump's Operation Warp Speed. Hell I bet you even spout the DNC propaganda that "there was no distribution plan".