Is Social Justice a disease? (Page 7/21)
sourmash JAN 10, 11:20 AM
You're both missing an extremely relevant point that some people you think are White don't identify as White themselves. A large percentage of the Fortune 500 are those people. The owners of the professional Basketball and Football teams are made up of these people too. All the top media TV/Cable news networks are made up of these people with 1 exception.

If we're going to demand F500 companies have equal parity in diversity then we need to demand professional sports teams do the same thing.
sourmash JAN 10, 11:40 AM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

White people made up a SIGNIFICANT majority of citizens in this country from Revolutionary times to present time. Obviously the native Americans lived here first,



They're technically American Indians with Asiatic DNA. No people are truly native here. And parts of South and Central America show Samoan/Polynesian types were here first. There's the Clovis people still in flux too off the East Coast.

Either way, they were Stone Aged people.


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They fought constantly amongst themselves and killed themselves off. We have a pristine idea of Native American Indians as being one with Earth, but largely they were warring tribes that barbarically killed eachother. Super-awesome culture, but never the less, they did not exist in enormous numbers like the Colonists did. From the founding of the United States, to even just ~30 years ago, whites made up almost 80% of the population in the United States.



Totally true. The Cherokee haven't been in the South longer than Vikings in North America. The Cherokee formed from Northern tribes and invaded, the Mound Builder people are one group they invaded. Where'd those people go? If land in GA, TN, VA, NC is going back to original people, it can be proven it wasn't the Cherokee here first. The Cherokee have a reservation in NC, so the precedent is set that you can invade and claim right to a land.


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Fortune 500 is a list of 500 American companies. Since at the time most of these CEOs were born, white people dominated the population, it would only make sense that the overwhelming vast majority of these would be run by white people.



They also have to answer to the share holders. Not Social Justice warriors. Where did people start buying their disposable razors recently?


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Incidentally, we've had massive immigration from all over the world in the span of the last 30 years, and the United States is now more diverse than it's ever been in 30 years, I expect the Fortune 500 companies to be reflective of the population break-out as it exists *TODAY*, not 30 years from now.


The USA is trending down now. We're being looted.


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Incidentally, white people are a minority in overall world population. The top 10 wealthiest people, 8 of them are white, and 7 of them are American. This is because the United States is also the wealthiest nation in the world... for a variety of reasons:



I guarantee they don't all ID as White. People of one religious persuasion say they aren't White.
Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Elon Musk are White.
But Mark Zuckerberg, Larry Ellison, Larry Page, Sergey Brin, Sheldon Adelson, Bloomberg are in the group said to be not White.

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82-T/A [At Work] JAN 10, 01:26 PM

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Originally posted by sourmash:

I guarantee they don't all ID as White. People of one religious persuasion say they aren't White.
Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Elon Musk are White.
But Mark Zuckerberg, Larry Ellison, Larry Page, Sergey Brin, Sheldon Adelson, Bloomberg are in the group said to be not White.





On official government documents, there is no where to put "Jewish" as a race. My wife is Jewish, and she puts white because she is white.

I also put white, because I am white, and my heritage is Hispanic, because my mom was born in Argentina.
sourmash JAN 10, 05:51 PM
There's no where to put "mixed" race either, which is a pet peeve of mine. The gov lead the charge on self IDing as one thing when it's clear that many are not just one race.

The US government is now calling Arabs and Iranians White. It helps inflate the White numbers from being the minority quicker, imo.

You make a good point that people that aren't White as we perceive them are classed as White by the US government. And people who are mixed with African are usually steered to select African American even when they're mostly or half European. For one, it's obvious to see African influence when they are, and two, it's beneficial in higher education and work place hiring for them.

Plenty of Whites in Argentina. And yes I'm aware that the USA doesn't categorize Jewish people in a separate column. That was done on purpose.
Are Hispanics really Hispanic if they have no Spanish ancestry?. Mestizo is a mix of Spanish and American Indian but nobody uses that category. Just HIspanic.

But Jewish people as a group DO NOT ID as White. Individuals often do. Not my words. It's theirs. See the multiple links.

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cliffw JAN 11, 08:02 AM
Is Social Justice a disease?


Evidently it is, and, has infected the T/OT section of PFF.

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82-T/A [At Work] JAN 11, 09:40 AM

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Originally posted by sourmash:

But Jewish people as a group DO NOT ID as White. Individuals often do. Not my words. It's theirs. See the multiple links.





The Jewish religion, and specifically the Jewish people came from 12 tribes which eventually merged into 4. Regardless of whether you believe they came from the 12 sons of Abraham or they were 12 nomadic clans that were influenced into the religion... they are all of largely different backgrounds. Some Jews are middle eastern, others are truly white. I can assure you my wife's nipples are pink. My experience with nipples from a variety of women in my young adulthood leads me to believe that my wife is in fact 100% white.
sourmash JAN 11, 11:57 AM
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I totally accept what you're saying. But I haven't said what I believe or know about who they are. Just repeated what is said by those of the official voice of the people. So I might agree with you.

Here's my major deal, it's a hypersensitivity to political correctness and false identities of all people. I reject not properly IDing people by what they truly are. If I have a minor admixture of Central Asian and Neanderthal does it mean I'm non White? Mixed people are forced to falsely ID. And not far from that you get institutional racism against the race of one of their historical makers by erasing it while you look at them and see it.

It's just ridiculous and some other nations don't do that. Vietnamese don't allow it. Chinese don't. South Africa doesn't either.
Btw, I had a Semitic acquaintance once. Truly semitic. Not Jewish. Not Arab either. I saw her bare chest but don't remember color much. Skin color was olive everywhere.
But along my strong resistance at accepting non-sequiturs, how stupid is it to call an Arab antisemitic? Got to be one of the stupidest things to exist.

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williegoat JAN 11, 12:18 PM

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Is Social Justice a disease?


It is a Social Disease.
It is contracted by f(screwing) around with those of questionable virtue.
blackrams JAN 11, 01:52 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
The Jewish religion, and specifically the Jewish people came from 12 tribes which eventually merged into 4. Regardless of whether you believe they came from the 12 sons of Abraham or they were 12 nomadic clans that were influenced into the religion... they are all of largely different backgrounds. Some Jews are middle eastern, others are truly white. I can assure you my wife's nipples are pink. My experience with nipples from a variety of women in my young adulthood leads me to believe that my wife is in fact 100% white.



Damn, I had no idea that was an identifier. You learn something every day....

Rams
Jake_Dragon JAN 11, 02:41 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

The Jewish religion, and specifically the Jewish people came from 12 tribes which eventually merged into 4. Regardless of whether you believe they came from the 12 sons of Abraham or they were 12 nomadic clans that were influenced into the religion... they are all of largely different backgrounds. Some Jews are middle eastern, others are truly white. I can assure you my wife's nipples are pink. My experience with nipples from a variety of women in my young adulthood leads me to believe that my wife is in fact 100% white.



truly this is going to take more research.
Honestly, my exposure to pink nipples has been mostly online. Direct access has been more of a tan variety with a pink undertone.
But if we are going to start using this as a way of labeling people instead of race then I am you man!!