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olejoedad
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FEB 21, 11:53 AM
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Welfare systems kill motivation and promote dependence.
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FEB 21, 11:57 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
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Communism loves dependence.
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Threedog
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FEB 21, 02:44 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by williegoat:
Word for the day:
Non Sequitur
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Why would I respond to that question? Its a loaded question.
To say that you cant trust any media because it is all biased is the tactic of dictatorial regimes. The sources I use have decades of repeatable reporting/data gathering. They provide sources, methods, and they have journalistic integrity.
Also, you cant say "post hoc ergo propter hoc" then try to credit Trump with solving racism(which is insane, because we do not live in a post-racial society). You are correct that correlation data does not always prove causation, but when you have an overwhelming amout of data that shows correlation and you don't have better data(which you don't, personal experience is useless in this discussion) for the other side, then you are not disproving the link.
| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
Welfare systems kill motivation and promote dependence. |
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You have no proof. These are just beliefs that you want to believe because it is what you have been told.
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olejoedad
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FEB 21, 03:11 PM
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I was around years before LBJ tried the Great Society experiment.
My conclusions are based on life-long observation and analysis.
The best teacher is experience.[This message has been edited by olejoedad (edited 02-21-2019).]
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Threedog
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FEB 21, 03:22 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
I was around years before LBJ tried the Great Society experiment.
My conclusions are based on life-long observation and analysis.
The best teacher is experience.
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"I have no evidence and think that one life experience can substitute thousands of experts and endless amounts of data"
Just because some things worked for you, doesn't mean they were the best for the country.
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blackrams
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FEB 21, 03:40 PM
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Threedog,
I really don't like quoting myself, but would like to see your economic plan and how you would restructure our economy, our taxation, our whole system in an effort to make everyone happy.
| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
Threedog,
Please enlighten those of us who have not seen the light on just how your economic plan would work so that everybody would be happy. The very concept leads me to believe there would be no unemployed, no low wage jobs for unskilled workers, free education, free wifi nationwide, free medical care, a TV in every living room and a chicken in every pot, almost Utopia.
Please enlighten us on how you're gonna pull this off and not reduce this country to Third World status.
Leftist, Progressives/Socialist always have grand ideas how those who have earned less can bennefit by taking from those who have earned more.
Go ahead, I am interested in how you're going to do this.
Please don't tell me you want to follow the path some other country did that has very little in common with how our economy is set up and runs. Or do you purpose to blow it all up and start over.
Rams
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I've work since I was 12 years old for someone other than my Dad. Everything I possess has been paid for through my and my wife's efforts. It does not make me happy to see my tax dollars to go to "less happy" people in the form of EBT cards (as an example) so they don't have to earn anything. All the while knowing I can go to many and buy their EBT card for fifty cents on the dollar. They then spend that money on things other than their kids. So, how are ya gonna make me happy?
This Utopia you seek does not exist. There always will be unhappy people who haven't figured out they need to do something for themselves and quit depending on the government and other people to pull their weight. You go ahead and donate your earnings to the unhappy people and leave mine alone. OK....
Rams[This message has been edited by blackrams (edited 02-21-2019).]
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williegoat
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FEB 21, 03:41 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Threedog:
To say that you cant trust any media because it is all biased is the tactic of dictatorial regimes.
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You are wrong. Dictatorial regimes, by their very nature, control the media and declare them as the only trustworthy source.
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The sources I use have decades of repeatable reporting/data gathering.
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As do Pravda and The National Inquirer.
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Also, you cant say "post hoc ergo propter hoc" then try to credit Trump with solving racism(which is insane, because we do not live in a post-racial society).
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New word of the day:
Humor
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olejoedad
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FEB 21, 03:46 PM
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When I was young, I was very liberal, and scoffed at my elders for their conservative beliefs.
As I aged, and observed the world around me (not only immediately around me, but on a national and international scale) my political and societal views matured, and I found more truth and reason in the conservative views that I had previously rejected.
No one, I repeat no one, tells me what to believe and what I should think.
I have had a life long love for current events, politics and interactions between people as individuals, people as groups, and people as nations.
I have been fortunate to have lived in other countries, and still have friends from other lands.
My views are based on experience, education, observation, a deep respect for the mistakes made in the past by those that came before us, and knowledge gained by my own mistakes.
If I reject 'data and expert opinion', it is not due to the influence of current punditry, but based upon my own knowledge base and intellect.[This message has been edited by olejoedad (edited 02-21-2019).]
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williegoat
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FEB 21, 03:54 PM
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The fact is, threedog, that you have a closed mind. Most of your sources are biased and have a particular agenda. You are not worth the minimal effort it would take to provide evidence, because you have shown, time and again, that you ignore anything that might cause you to step out of your comfort zone.
You live in a very small, cloistered society. Open a window and look out at the rest of the world. Open the door and go for a walk. Talk to some people who are not exactly like you. You just might learn something.
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Threedog
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FEB 21, 03:58 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
Threedog,
I really don't like quoting myself, but would like to see your economic plan and how you would restructure our economy, our taxation, our whole system in an effort to make everyone happy.
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I would point to universal healthcare that has not tanked the economies of European countries or Japan or Korea or Canada.
I would point to taxation polices that work in Scandinavian and European countries that have not turned them into third world hell holes.
I would point to the utter lack of exodus of the super rich from countries that have progressive, strict taxation polices that heavily tax the rich.
I would point(as I have in this thread) to the increased social mobility in these economies, where poor people actually have a fair shot at getting rich.
I would point to many states in this country that have passed many liberal/leftist laws with large social safety nets and have seen increased social mobility and stronger economies.
We like to think that America's super-capitalistic attitude is what allowed America to thrive during the second half of the twentieth centuries. However we forget that just about every other country that could rival us economically had been invaded, split, or bombed to complete and utter ruins. It is really easy to be on top when your infrastructure is intact and others have been decimated. Once countries began to rebuild their infrastructure/politically stabilize, they caught up quick.
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