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theBDub
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JAN 10, 08:56 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
Ha ha ... heh.
You used to have a signature which said something like this. "I am young and naive but am working on the naive". You are not doing a very good job. |
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Okay, then prove the allegation.
Trump couldn’t find any evidence, so I’ll be curious what you can dig up.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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JAN 10, 10:02 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by cvxjet:
i wanted Jeb Bush to be elected in 2016- I especially liked that during his running of Florida, they passed some extremely conservative legislation... |
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I voted for Jeb Bush back in 1998 I think it was, and then again in his re-election, and I liked him. He made a huge impact in Florida.
Most of the policies that Democrats had enacted in prior years were billed as helping the people, but they only actually ever hurt poor people specifically. One such example were safety and emissions inspections. When Jeb Bush came in, he had a study commissioned which would continue before and after his proposals to eliminate safety and emissions inspections. He ended up eliminating them and they determined there was no uptick at all in vehicle accidents or emissions.
Case in point, they determined that newer cars automatically had better emissions, and through attrition the older cars simply were being cycled through. Under the Democrat plans, you were also being given a fine if your vehicle did not meet safety inspections when you brought it in for inspection, and the only people who couldn't afford this were poor people... who often bought the cheapest car they could to get back and forth to work, while the middle and wealthy had no problems with this. It was a barrier to entry that kept poor people poor.
There were many other examples of policies like this that Jeb Bush corrected. He also busted the police unions, and numerous police organizations were raided by the FBI (including the Davie police, and one in Jacksonville) through a series of checks and balances he put in place. Much of this though was implemented at the behest of the Republican legislature.
Since Jeb Bush left office, he actually became significantly corrupt. Most of the media refused to discuss it because they hoped he would put up a fight against Trump. Jeb ended up being the least popular of all the candidates if memory serves. Never the less, he used his prior position as Governor to assist in pushing state contracts via his influence. He didn't do anything illegal per-se, but he was completely irresponsible with the power and influence he had after he left.
I suspect we'll likely see another "peace deal" which will lead to Iran getting money. It'll be a kick the can approach. I'm fine with it though.
The reality of it is... Iran isn't really much of a threat to the United States beyond the fact that they sponsor terrorism. That won't change under Biden, and Iran will still continue to *attempt* to sponsor 9/11 style attacks while Biden is president. Whether that succeeds or not is unlikely, but Iran will continue to influence negatively any interests we do have over there.
That said, Iran is basically a very weak country. Their development of nuclear weapons will only lead to their own demise either because of a failed launch and they destroy themselves, or Israel attacks them. It's also entirely possible that we see a civil war or revolution there.
| quote | Originally posted by theBDub:
Funny joke, but no matter how many times you say it, no matter how many times Trump says it, it still won’t be true. It’s demonstrably, provably false. All you have to do is Google it. At this point, it’s clear you just don’t want to see the truth. |
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I'd like to really make a point here that I encourage you to consider. I don't know if you were using "Google" as a disassociative verb, or if you were literally suggesting using Google. Google is the most heavily filtered and manipulated search engine available right now. It's still "the best" search engine for anything that has no shred of politics or foreign influence. By that I mean, you want to search for some obscure fact about the Atari 2600, or the right way to install a Blue Dingy Thingy on a Pontiac Fiero... Google is the place to go. But if you're looking for information that is even slightly contentious in a manner that's considered "political" ... e.g. climate change, China, Hong Kong, Donald Trump, Voter Fraud, even things relating to Communism and Socialism... you're going to get purposefully manipulated search results with a significant number of actual results removed and filtered out. I want to be clear, this is actual fact, and not something I'm just being conspiratorial on.
Bing is quite a bit better for anything that is political in nature, though they've heavily redacted anything relating to "voter fraud." Duck Duck Go is not a good search engine to use because it literally uses Google as the back end, the only difference is that it encrypts the search query to obfuscate who it's coming from. There are other search engines that you can use that aren't manipulated:
- https://www.wolframalpha.com/ : Used to be good, but a few days ago they were pressured to not show ANY results for voter fraud
- https://gibiru.com/ : Currently one of the few that does not filter anything at all, so good for getting information from all sides
- https://www.yippy.com/ : Created by a former Silicon Valley magnate, it's made to give emphasis on US-based articles that Google specifically filters out.
So that's my first comment, and I highly recommend that if you are doing any research for anything POLITICAL... I mean politics in the proverbial sense... anything where there's a difference of opinion, you do not use Google. Google is heavily influenced by China due to the fact that Big Tech needs / wants access to the huge capital investments in the Chinese market. Never rely on Google for any information on topics that are contentious.
| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
Should come as no surprise to anyone. Donald Trump only cares about Donald Trump. And now he has all these brainless sheep out rioting for him... not for "democracy"... but for him. It's pathetic. The sooner this delusional egomaniac becomes a footnote in history the better.
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I would be just as radical and crazy as you are with Trudeau, but Canada just isn't that important, so it doesn't matter.
| quote | Originally posted by theBDub:
Okay, then prove the allegation.
Trump couldn’t find any evidence, so I’ll be curious what you can dig up. |
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I wanted to address this in a pragmatic way, and hope you understand it...
There has been plenty of evidence, but unfortunately you have two things going on... risk mitigation, and jurisdiction. There has never been a precedence for upending an election result because of voter fraud. For example, we know that there was a significant amount of voter fraud in the JFK election. His popularity was significant, so likely he would have won without involvement from the mob. But there was never a consideration that the election would be overturned, but they dealt with it after the fact. This is the one thing that Trump has been trying to do which has never been done before in a modern presidential election here in the US. They identify, arrest, and charge those responsible with voter fraud "after the fact."
What you are saying is incorrect. There has been tons of voter fraud that has been supplied to the courts. Here is one video that I've posted before that shows a lady running the same stack of ballots through three times (this stack came from the suite cases that were removed from under the table when all the workers were asked to go home): https://www.youtube.com/wat...esktop&v=rLQN_o7pEuY The account is a Chinese CCP dissident account that has not yet been removed from YouTube, but it should still work. This is an example of some of the information that has been provided to the courts.
The problem is that because of precedent, most of the courts are throwing out the cases without even looking at the evidence because the courts do not believe the precedence exists for any courts to overturn an election... let alone make a decision on one like they did in 2000. So, as I've said before... language is important. You are saying there's no evidence. There has been more than 1000+ of individual pieces of evidence that have been submitted to the courts for consideration. There have also been 100s of eye-witnesses that have testified in state hearings that have offered to testify in court, but because nearly all the cases have been thrown out, they have not been given the chance.
Again, I encourage you to not do research on Google as it is specifically being manipulated. Google is only good for things that are totally A-political.
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maryjane
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JAN 10, 10:38 AM
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82-T/A [At Work]
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JAN 10, 10:57 AM
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The video I posted clearly shows the ballots being run through three times. Please show me an article debunking that this lady is in fact not running it through three times which all of us can clearly see is the case. Your opinion articles (which reference other opinion articles) do not address this, nor have anything to do with it.
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sourmash
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JAN 10, 11:05 AM
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The US/Israel Iran bashing is just the phony Iraq WMD scam all over again. Iran was in the first 62 countries to sign the nuke Non-Proliferation Treaty. Israel won't sign it. The US did sign and isn't supposed to aid non-signers with military aid, but we're rogue that way.
| quote | | I suspect we'll likely see another "peace deal" which will lead to Iran getting money. It'll be a kick the can approach. I'm fine with it though. |
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Good, because Iran is only doing as allowed to do. Israel and they're proxi the USA are demanding something of Iran that they don't demand of themselves. They're probably attempting to get Iran to drop out in disgust to prompt more aggression from us and Israel. And Iran wasn't given money. We confiscated tens of billions after their revolution. It was given back under a treaty. It was their money. They kept the deal, got their money and Trump pulled out anyway.
| quote | | ...and Iran will still continue to *attempt* to sponsor 9/11 style attacks while Biden is president. Whether that succeeds or not is unlikely, but Iran will continue to influence negatively any interests we do have over there. |
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Pure excrement. People need to acknowledge who attacked on 9-11-01. Fifteen of 19 were Saudis. The only people arrested on 9-11-01 were Israelis, some of them were Israeli Mossad intellignece with prior knowledge of the impending attack and they let it happen. FBI confirmed it in the Fox series done by Carl Cameron. Five Dancing Israelis Saudi Arabia sponsored 9-11-01, with Israeli knowledge. That's where the 9-11-01 attacks came from. Al Qaeda is made from Sunnis and Wahabis. They hate the Shia and Alawites in Iran and Syria.
Israel is a state sponsor of terror as they keep assassinating Iranian scientists because it irritates Israel that Iran won't stay down.
Here's something you don't know about either, Israel was paying a banned terrorist group to commit terrorism in Afghanistan and Iran during W Bush's term.
Israelis posed as CIA, met with the banned terror group and paid them in USD right out of the US embassy in London. Pretended to be CIA, paid banned terror group with USD to commit terror in Iran and Afghanistan where our soldiers were being killed/maimed. Jundallah is the name of the terror group.
Bush was livid when he found out.
| quote | That said, Iran is basically a very weak country. Their development of nuclear weapons will only lead to their own demise either because of a failed launch and they destroy themselves, or Israel attacks them. It's also entirely possible that we see a civil war or revolution there.
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Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh rhetoric. The NPT says they can enrich to 20% so they are. Weapons are 90%. You don't just spin longer.
Iran hasn't invaded another nation in how many hundreds of years? The US keeps invaded other nations.
People who call themselves Conservatives seem eager to fall for scams. Some of us learned from the scam of WMDs in Iraq. I read the so-called White Supremacist sites and those people call for bringing troops home, stopping foreign wars and securing our borders. Gee, wonder why the media hates them so much?[This message has been edited by sourmash (edited 01-10-2021).]
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82-T/A [At Work]
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JAN 10, 11:17 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
Pure excrement.
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I don't know how this happens, I'm not sure I can have discussions on Pennocks with politics because everyone it seems impossible for people to actually follow. I never said Iran caused 9/11. Not once did I say this. I said they will attempt to cause 9/11 style attacks on the United States. Iran has been the biggest supporter of Terrorism. It is a known fact, and has been known for a very long time that Iran funds the Taliban, and to some extent Al Qaeda. First article that came up from 2015 before this became a weird topic for anyone:
https://www.wsj.com/article...-and-arms-1434065528
Please do not misrepresent what I'm saying. It creates frustration and derails the conversation. Your whole post was basically a tangent.
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maryjane
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JAN 10, 11:35 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
The video I posted clearly shows the ballots being run through three times. Please show me an article debunking that this lady is in fact not running it through three times which all of us can clearly see is the case. |
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Evidently not, as the hand count disproved the allegation. Your (and other's) eyes saw what they wanted to see, in some very prominent instances, out of desperation.
| quote | TRUMP, claiming that a Fulton County election worker fed ballots through a machine three times instead of only once, saying his campaign would release a video proving it: “It can’t be disputed. We have a version that you haven’t seen, but it’s magnified. It’s magnified and you can see everything. For some reason, they put it in three times each ballot. And I don’t know why, I don’t know why three times and not five times, right?”
THE FACTS: There was no double or triple tallying of ballots. (Ga Sec of State) Brad Raffensperger (R) noted that ballots in Georgia have been counted and then recounted twice more for accuracy, including once by hand, and no discrepancy showed up in the Fulton County ballots, as it would have if someone improperly counted votes multiple times. “We did an audit of that,” Raffensperger (R) told Trump. “It was proved conclusively that they were not scanned three times.” |
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https://wsiltv.com/2021/01/...ake-georgia-votes-2/
(about 1/2 way down the page.)
https://www.bizjournals.com...retary-of-state.html[This message has been edited by maryjane (edited 01-10-2021).]
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sourmash
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JAN 10, 11:51 AM
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It's false to say it's proven either way. When it goes to court and is judged, then you can make a claim. It hasn't been to court.
And don't claim it's true if the court won't see and hear the testimonies and affidavits. Because...
small example time. We have an ordinance against pan-handling in the city. There are pan-handlers at every area of high traffic where red-lights are located along off ramps from the interstate. The police will not enforce the ordinance. The female Democrat Mayor will not ask the Female Chief of Police to enforce the ordinance. Police officers told me directly that they cancel the calls about beggars. I called the Mayor's office to complain and nothing was done.
By applying your convention it would be said that pan-handling is not a violation since they aren't ticketed. Well It's still a violation and there's a sign at these traffic lights stating it's a violation. Likewise, is Bill Clinton still a rapist if he's not been tried and convicted? Is OJ a murder if he was acquitted?
The court here will also not enforce a Writ of Possession against people defaulting on payments for Rent To Own goods.
An aside about the pan-handlers is that the police claim Covid-19 as the reason they don't want their officers to be in contact with the beggars. So the beggars can be super-spreaders to the public taking hand to hand money but the officers are sacrosanct. I've witnessed people stopping on green lights to hand money, food and drinks to the scammers nearly causing rear-enders. Saw one get out of his car at a green light to get water out of his trunk for one. One begger buys scratch off lottery tickets with his handouts. He's put on 40 lbs since showing up in town this Summer and treats and reports to the intersections 6 days a week for handouts like it's work. So he could work a real job. He urinates under the bridge, goes back to taking handouts, spends it at the convenience store that gives you your change.[This message has been edited by sourmash (edited 01-10-2021).]
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maryjane
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JAN 10, 01:00 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
I don't know how this happens, I'm not sure I can have discussions on Pennocks with politics because everyone it seems impossible for people to actually follow. I...
Please do not misrepresent what I'm saying. It creates frustration and derails the conversation. Your whole post was basically a tangent.
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Your intent to lead people to see the world as you do is the reason. You probably/possibly view anything that doesn't agree with your line of thought as a 'tangent'.
Good luck with that.[This message has been edited by maryjane (edited 01-10-2021).]
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Patrick
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JAN 10, 03:41 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
I would be just as radical and crazy as you are with Trudeau, but Canada just isn't that important, so it doesn't matter.
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Oh boo hoo... some guy on a car forum said that "Canada just isn't that important".  Seriously Todd, this is grade school level taunting.
For all his faults, there is zero chance that Justin Trudeau would incite and encourage a riot on Parliament Hill. The legacy of Donald Trump as POTUS will be one of shame.
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