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blackrams
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JAN 04, 01:28 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by cvxjet:
(By the way, I don't like that Israel has so much influence over our country- You know that they are the ones really hoping we take out Iran; Russia/Putin wants us embroiled in ANY war but Israel and Putin's pal Benj want that war to be US soldiers dying in a war for Israel Against Iran)
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If you say so, OK. Personally, I'd like to see us take the reins off and let Israel loose on Iran. Has nothing to do with DJT but, that's just my opinion.
On a side note, I see that Speaker Pelosi was re-elected for another term as Speaker. My lord the Dems are in need of new leadership they just don't seem to see it.
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cvxjet
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JAN 04, 02:48 PM
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Pelosi is a POS.....She should be tossed in the trash can....
As for "EVIL Iran!!!!"...Have you ever heard of Operation Ajax? I was on the USS Coral Sea during the Iran Hostage crisis and HATED Iran and Iranians.......Years (Decades) later I read an article about the Coup that brought the despotic Shah back into power after Iran >>Democratically<< voted for a different leader.....Most of the CIA has at one time or another stated that "Blow-back" from Operation Ajax was not worth the little we gained...But I am sure the Oil Industry is very happy with trading lives for profits....
Operation Ajax (From Wikipedia)
The 1953 Iranian coup d'état, known in Iran as the 28 Mordad coup d'état (Persian: کودتای ۲۸ مرداد), was the overthrow of the democratically elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh in favour of strengthening the monarchical rule of the Shah, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi on 19 August 1953,[5] orchestrated by the United States (under the name TPAJAX Project[6] or "Operation Ajax") and the United Kingdom (under the name "Operation Boot"), and carried out by the Iranian military.[7][8][9][10]
Mosaddegh had sought to audit the documents of the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (AIOC), a British corporation (now part of BP) and to limit the company's control over Iranian oil reserves.[11] Upon the AIOC's refusal to co-operate with the Iranian government, the parliament (Majlis) voted to nationalize Iran's oil industry and to expel foreign corporate representatives from the country.[12][13][14] After this vote, Britain instigated a worldwide boycott of Iranian oil to pressure Iran economically.[15] Initially, Britain mobilized its military to seize control of the British-built Abadan oil refinery, then the world's largest, but Prime Minister Clement Attlee opted instead to tighten the economic boycott[16] while using Iranian agents to undermine Mosaddegh's government.[17]:3 Judging Mosaddegh to be unreliable and fearing a Communist takeover in Iran, UK prime minister Winston Churchill and the Eisenhower administration decided to overthrow Iran's government, though the preceding Truman administration had opposed a coup, fearing the precedent that Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) involvement would set.[17]:3 British intelligence officials' conclusions and the UK government's solicitations were instrumental in initiating and planning the coup, despite the fact that the U.S. government in 1952 had been considering unilateral action (without UK support) to assist the Mosaddegh government.[18][19][20]
Following the coup in 1953, a government under General Fazlollah Zahedi was formed which allowed Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the last Shah of Iran (Persian for an Iranian king),[21] to rule more firmly as monarch. He relied heavily on United States support to hold on to power.[12][13][14][22] According to the CIA's declassified documents and records, some of the most feared mobsters in Tehran were hired by the CIA to stage pro-Shah riots on 19 August.[5] Other men paid by the CIA were brought into Tehran in buses and trucks, and took over the streets of the city.[23] Between 200[3] and 300[4] people were killed because of the conflict. Mosaddegh was arrested, tried and convicted of treason by the Shah's military court. On 21 December 1953, he was sentenced to three years in jail, then placed under house arrest for the remainder of his life.[24]:280[25][26] Other Mosaddegh supporters were imprisoned, and several received the death penalty.[14] After the coup, the Shah continued his rule as monarch for the next 26 years[13][14] until he was overthrown in the Iranian Revolution in 1979.[13][14][17]
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maryjane
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JAN 04, 07:58 PM
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The only good thing tocome out of the Shah overthrowal was that we gained the 4 Kidd (Ayatollah class) Class destroyers. I think Taiwan has them now as DDGs.
(The shah was extensively brutal tho. )
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theBDub
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JAN 04, 10:55 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
The claim is that there were 200,000 more mail in ballots counted than the State sent out.
I have not heard the claim that your link refers too. The website refutes a claim that was not made by anyone involved in the investigation of election circumstances. |
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engine man posted no links regarding his claim, so I have to assume him saying there were 200,000 more votes than voters is referring to the same conspiracy theory that Trump tweeted about just days ago, which my link refutes. If engine man was talking about mail in ballots, he should have said mail in ballots, which also isn’t true.
| quote | Originally posted by randye:
One of the key methods in determining if someone is a liar is when they answer a question that wasn't asked. |
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Apparently you noticed something I didn’t in engine man’s claim. Care to show me where he said he was talking about mail in ballots in the comment I quoted?
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cvxjet
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JAN 04, 11:33 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
The only good thing tocome out of the Shah overthrowal was that we gained the 4 Kidd (Ayatollah class) Class destroyers. I think Taiwan has them now as DDGs.
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I agree with you here.....
The Shah was a POS in every way and his and our actions with screwing Iran led to the extreme conflicts that we now have with the Muslims.
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rinselberg
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JAN 05, 03:58 AM
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maryjane
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JAN 05, 04:29 AM
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williegoat
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JAN 05, 04:49 AM
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I would rather believe that we were screwed by an evil aristocratic cabal than by more than half of the American people. I guess that makes me delusional.
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engine man
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JAN 05, 07:15 AM
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No i did not post a link so that makes it wrong and it was a republican in the PA house who is a accountant and hear is your link http://www.repdiamond.com/N...emature-and-In-Error and if his numbers are wrong they need to show how they are wrong and not just say they are wrong and it is complicated because that is BS until they prove him wrong
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theBDub
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JAN 05, 07:32 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by engine man:
No i did not post a link so that makes it wrong and it was a republican in the PA house who is a accountant and hear is your link http://www.repdiamond.com/N...emature-and-In-Error and if his numbers are wrong they need to show how they are wrong and not just say they are wrong and it is complicated because that is BS until they prove him wrong |
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Okay, so my first assumption was correct in which one you were referring to. My first link shows why it is wrong. In summary: the data they’re using for their “voters” number is not a complete number. Not all counties has updated their voter numbers by Election Day. You can read my first link for more information.
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