The first 2020 'official' election prediction thread..... (Page 60/76)
olejoedad JAN 03, 08:27 PM

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Originally posted by theBDub:


This is just more fake news propagated by Trump (I first heard this when Trump tweeted it a few days ago).

The voters in the SURE system weren’t a complete record of 2020 votes. The claim isn’t true, and is based on wrong data.



The claim is that there were 200,000 more mail in ballots counted than the State sent out.

I have not heard the claim that your link refers too. The website refutes a claim that was not made by anyone involved in the investigation of election circumstances.
maryjane JAN 03, 08:53 PM
All 10 living former Sec Defs signed a letter

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The letter -- signed by Dick Cheney, James Mattis, Mark Esper, Leon Panetta, Donald Rumsfeld, William Cohen, Chuck Hagel, Robert Gates, William Perry and Ashton Carter -- amounts to a remarkable show of force against Trump's subversion efforts just days before Congress is set to count Electoral College votes.
"Our elections have occurred. Recounts and audits have been conducted. Appropriate challenges have been addressed by the courts. Governors have certified the results. And the electoral college has voted. The time for questioning the results has passed; the time for the formal counting of the electoral college votes, as prescribed in the Constitution and statute, has arrived," the group wrote.



The US military will back and defend the US Constitution without fail.
randye JAN 03, 09:06 PM

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Originally posted by olejoedad:


The claim is that there were 200,000 more mail in ballots counted than the State sent out.

I have not heard the claim that your link refers too. The website refutes a claim that was not made by anyone involved in the investigation of election circumstances.



One of the key methods in determining if someone is a liar is when they answer a question that wasn't asked.
cvxjet JAN 03, 09:59 PM
82-T/A...First, I appreciate the civility with which you answered- If everyone in America on both sides responded like that we would be far better off.

Second, although I agree with you on the "Liberals have a cozier relationship with Russia" in the past...Most of Trumps business dealing have been related to Russia and the Russian mob, Rudy has a very tight relationship with Russia also- There was a lot of obvious effort to sway the elections towards Trump.....Fox News is owned and run by Rupert Murdock, who's best friend and business partner is Vladimir Putin. OAN is completely controlled by Russia also. Heck, Russia was even trying to slip an agent into the NRA! QAnon is controlled by Russia also..... Think about this; "Everyone was watching to the LEFT for any danger...meanwhile the enemy slipped in from the RIGHT"

Here is something else to consider; What if Russia is playing BOTH sides against each other? I have serious doubts about the reliability of CNN.
What if Putin is having BS fed to the left thru CNN? Remember this; Together we stand, divided we fall

I stopped watching the local Fox Affiliate around 2000-2002...But most of my friends (Who are conservatives) continued to watch and especially the cable crap (I will never...suck on a cable- would rather just read books). Around 2005 they started saying really ridiculous things, and they got worse as the years passed.

The final straw was the whole Jade Helm crap. And then suddenly, Trump was the "Only man who should lead this great nation!!!" and suddenly he rose to power.

i wanted Jeb Bush to be elected in 2016- I especially liked that during his running of Florida, they passed some extremely conservative legislation...after a year it was obviously not working the way they had expected; Instead of putting his head down and saying "Stay the Course!!!" he went to the state Legislature and stated "We need to change course on this- it is not working"

I wish more politicians- On BOTH sides- would have the strength of character to do that; We can try crazy ideas- but we need to have the courage to actually accept when ideas don't work.
olejoedad JAN 03, 11:08 PM
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maryjane JAN 04, 04:14 AM

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What if Russia is playing BOTH sides against each other?



There is no IF about it. Putin and the Russians may not have a military equal to the West, but they aren't dumb and they have had decades to hone their skills, knowing full well how to play America against itself.
Putin himself was KGB earlier in life for 16 years.. He knows how the paths run.
sourmash JAN 04, 08:33 AM
cvxjet, you know how I know you only care about anti-Republicanism? You only spout 2 year old cable news talking points. I see nothing in your posts that support that you read books.

The most damaging spy in our lifetime (reports say US history) was just released from prison.
He was granted citizenship in the foreign country that he spied for while still in a US prison.
The Prime Minister of that foreign country greeted him personally with a hero's welcome when he arrived there.
That foreign country allows the Russian mafia to operate with impunity in their borders.
That contry even sold US spy info to the Soviet Union.
That foreign nation has your credit card info, your buying history, your internet browsing history, your cell data including names and numbers of your contacts and conversations of our texts.


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Pollard and his wife moved to Israel where they were greeted on arrival by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.




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Jonathan Jay Pollard (born August 7, 1954) is a former intelligence analyst for the United States government. In 1987, as part of a plea agreement, Pollard pleaded guilty to spying for and providing top-secret classified information to Israel. He was sentenced to life in prison for violations of the Espionage Act.[1]

Pollard is the only American who has received a life sentence for passing classified information to an ally of the U.S.[2] In defense of his actions, Pollard declared that he committed espionage only because "the American intelligence establishment collectively endangered Israel's security by withholding crucial information".[3] Israeli officials, U.S.-Israeli activist groups, and some U.S. politicians who saw his punishment as unfair lobbied continually for reduction or commutation of his sentence.[4] The Israeli government acknowledged a portion of its role in Pollard's espionage in 1987, and issued a formal apology to the U.S.,[5] but did not admit to paying him until 1998. Over the course of his imprisonment, Israel made repeated unsuccessful attempts through both official and unofficial channels to secure his release.[6] He was granted Israeli citizenship in 1995
sourmash JAN 04, 09:04 AM
If you get a chance to, you might look up Locked Up Abroad Season 6 episode 13 titled The Hasidic King of Coke


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When a strictly orthodox Jewish grocer becomes a cocaine smuggler, his traditional appearance makes him invisible to customs officers, until his decision to become 'the Jewish Pablo Escobar' leads to a stretch in a violent Brazilian prison.



There's also this Hasidic smuggling ring you can look into:


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In the late 1990s, an Israeli Canadian named Sean Erez set up one of the biggest Ecstasy smuggling rings in the United States by using Hasidic Jews in New York as couriers. Erez and his associates roped in young Orthodox boys by telling them that they would smuggle diamonds from Europe. Erez counted on the fact that the Hasidic adolescents would join in a scheme that allowed them to rebel against their restrictive lifestyle. In the operation’s peak year, the Hasidic carriers brought more than 1 million Ecstasy pills from Holland through John F. Kennedy International Airport. As the carriers’ mistakes added up over time, Erez and his associates were arrested in 1999 and 2000, respectively. “Holy Rollers,” a feature film based on the debacle and starring Jesse Eisenberg, was released in 2010.



These were 17-18 year old Hasidic boys. But guess who's parents didn't care that they were flying all over the world at that age? They all knew they were smuggling.
cvxjet JAN 04, 12:09 PM
Sour- You do a great job of trying to keep the "Trump-gang" together.....Anyone even suggests doubt of what Trump is doing or spouting and you immediately start calling them "Rinos" or "leftists"......Just like the little gangs in HS. No dissent allowed!!!

Even when I was a hyper-conservative Reagan man back in the 80s I was smart enough to know that >>Questioning<< the actions and motives of our leaders was not only OK, but actually Necessary...And the most important questioning should be reserved for YOUR own party or favorite leader...Don't be a sheep!

Yet the new trump! "Conservatives" make it very clear that they ALL must MARCH!!! with Trump and never question ANYTHING he does...Just like good little brown-shirts.....

When you look at Trump, do you see him bathed in a bright glowing light?

(By the way, I don't like that Israel has so much influence over our country- You know that they are the ones really hoping we take out Iran; Russia/Putin wants us embroiled in ANY war but Israel and Putin's pal Benj want that war to be US soldiers dying in a war for Israel Against Iran)

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sourmash JAN 04, 12:50 PM

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Originally posted by cvxjet:
Sour- You do a great job of trying to keep the "Trump-gang" together.....Anyone even suggests doubt of what Trump is doing or spouting and you immediately start calling them "Rinos" or "leftists"......Just like the little gangs in HS. No dissent allowed!!!


Bull. You don't do a very good job of anything because you just try to deflect and deflect more.

You just invent things people never say because you can't discuss or even understand what has been said. Trump is meaningless now.


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Even when I was a hyper-conservative Reagan man back in the 80s I was smart enough to know that >>Questioning<< the actions and motives of our leaders was not only OK, but actually Necessary...And the most important questioning should be reserved for YOUR own party or favorite leader...Don't be a sheep!


Bull. You prove my point AGAIN. I have no party.
And Reagan was never as conservative as people pretend now. He allowed massive gun control and legalized
millions of illegals.
His supporters weren't either because that's where the Neo-cons came into the R party.


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Yet the new trump! "Conservatives" make it very clear that they ALL must MARCH!!! with Trump and never question ANYTHING he does...Just like good little brown-shirts.....

When you look at Trump, do you see him bathed in a bright glowing light?

(By the way, I don't like that Israel has so much influence over our country- You know that they are the ones really hoping we take out Iran; Russia/Putin wants us embroiled in ANY war but Israel and Putin's pal Benj want that war to be US soldiers dying in a war for Israel Against Iran)




The only reason we're discussing war with Iran is because Israel wants us to. Same with Iraq and why Syria is in the list.

So you still refuse address the recent spy release and the rogue nation who made him a hero at our expense. Trump is gone. This problem stays no matter whi is President.