California Fires (Page 6/6)
maryjane JAN 27, 10:52 AM

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Originally posted by cliffw:

maryjane, I have been to your house in Cleveland TX just outside of N Houston. In the middle of a National forest. Thick with trees, Pine.

I can not picture how the forest floor can be cleared of dead tree fire fuel.


Very easily. Controlled burns, or what they called 'prescribed burns'. The US and Texas Forest service did it every year, switching from section to section. The crap on the forest floor burns but the fire doesn't get up into the tree limbs or tops. They are basically replicating what nature (via lightening) would do every few years. Texas A&M has a big part in deciding which area needs a burn and when. It works.

https://www.texastribune.or...dle-prescribed-burn/


Do the controlled burns sometimes get out of hand? Probably, but not very often.
Now, most of what you read about a prescribed burn by the Forest Service says they do them only under certain weather and growing conditions. That's BS in East Texas.
Them suckers burn day or night, burn ban,wind or calm...because they're so good at controlling and fighting fires. The whole county can be in a absolute lockdown red flag burn ban, where ya can't even legally light your bbq grill, and the Forest Service guys will be out there burning thousands of acres. They know their business.




They pay attention to ONLY 1 thing. Humidity. They won't light anything if humidity is low.

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maryjane JAN 27, 11:47 AM
The annual wildfire fighting exercise in Calif is held at USMC Camp Pendleton. Marines, navy and civilian firefighters work together to develop and train using air assets to fight wildfires.

https://verticalmag.com/new...s-to-camp-pendleton/

Camp Pendleton, much like Fort Hood here, has had it's own share of munition caused wildfires. They've gotten pretty good at fighting their own and other folks' fires.

https://www.dvidshub.net/ne...respite-firefighters
I've watched Fort Hood's birds drop water several times, from my back porch, but they're usually UH 60s.


Unlike USMC where both Pendleton and Miramar has a lot of air assets, there really is just a handfull of helos here at Fort hood nowadays, as Ft Hood is an armor installation and it is HQ of 3rd Corps. But, most of Third Corps' helos are at Ft Riley Kansas now. Nothing at Ft Hood but armor, arty, a few UH60s and a small handfull of Chinooks. Just enough aviation to support training and emergencies. Oh, and 1 full armor division... with room and support for a 2nd one I'm told.

This sure as hell shook the house and woke me up a few days ago. MICLIC. by the time I got out to the back porch, all I could see was the cloud of smoke going up in the air.
I didn't know what it was till I read about it yesterday on Ft Hood's website.

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blackrams JAN 27, 12:07 PM

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Originally posted by maryjane:

HQ of 3rd Corps. most of Third Corps' helos are at Ft Riley Kansas now.



Agreed, a picture I carry in my mind, a thing of beauty every time I pass by there. :thumbup:

Rams
Notorio JAN 29, 06:14 PM

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Originally posted by cliffw:

California residents becoming US Presidents ? All Republicans. Hoover, a Republican, Nixon, a Republican, Reagan, a Republican.



Looks like we are about due for another one ...
Notorio JAN 29, 06:27 PM
Here is an update based on my own research and doing a project with ChatGPT.

1) The 2003 Cedar fire which destroyed the 'old' side of Scripps Ranch. This was, until now, the largest wildfire event destroying 300 homes and damaging another 200. I was able to find After Action Reviews and other documents. My claim about the Marine helicopters was not entirely correct. After TWO DAYS of training and inspections, the assets were put to limited use (restricted to certain areas) and the fire was largely over. They completed about 50 water drops, a mere fraction of what they could have done two days earlier.

2) For the Palisades fire of 2025, I am shocked to find that significant military assets WERE in fact used. California DID learn some lessons from prior experience that helped fight the fire! Below I am pasting in ChatGPT's analysis:

"In response to the 2025 Palisades Fire in California, a comprehensive deployment of military assets was instrumental in supporting firefighting and relief operations. The contributions included:

Personnel:

California National Guard: Approximately 600 Soldiers from Task Force 49, primarily from the 49th Military Police Brigade, were mobilized to ensure safety and security in affected areas. Their duties encompassed operating traffic control points and conducting roving patrols to prevent unauthorized access and looting.

Source - NATIONALGUARD.MIL

Active-Duty Military: The Department of Defense deployed 500 active-duty Marines from Camp Pendleton to assist with various tasks, including route clearance, commodity distribution, search and rescue, and general support.

Source - DEFENSE.GOV

Aerial Assets:

Helicopters: The U.S. Navy provided 10 helicopters equipped with water delivery buckets from bases such as Naval Station North Island, Marine Corps Air Station Camp Pendleton, and Marine Corps Air Station Miramar. These assets were crucial for aerial firefighting operations.

Source - DEFENSE.GOV

Modular Airborne Fire Fighting System (MAFFS): Air National Guard units, including the 146th Airlift Wing from California, deployed C-130 aircraft equipped with MAFFS. These systems can disperse up to 3,200 gallons of fire retardant in seconds, significantly bolstering aerial firefighting capabilities.

Source - NATIONALGUARD.MIL

Ground Support:

Engineering Units: National Guard engineering teams assisted in clearing debris and backfilling firebreaks to prevent mudslides and mitigate further damage.

Source - NATIONALGUARD.MIL

This coordinated effort between federal and state military resources played a pivotal role in combating the Palisades Fire and supporting affected communities."
blackrams JAN 29, 06:55 PM

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Originally posted by Notorio:

Here is an update based on my own research and doing a project with ChatGPT.




Thanks for posting that.

BTW, I don't think JD Vance is from CA................

Rams
cvxjet JAN 29, 11:52 PM
The three dams that were eliminated/tore down were by the Oregon border- and the water was only used for power generation....The three reservoirs were basically silted up to where they were no longer effective....Also, the water could NEVER reach any part of California except straight to the coast at the very northern edge of California.

Here is an actual map....



Also, the "CA Blocking Oregon fire trucks" story on social media is BS....And, water from the Pacific northwest cannot flow into California- unless someone spends a Trillion dollars building new canals and tunnels....

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