Any socialism fans in the house? (Page 6/21)
sourmash OCT 04, 09:39 PM
I'm not that savvy on what the diff is, but someone I respect calls them closer to national socialism than the world wants to admit for the obvious reasons.

Supposedly they aren't going to bail out Evergrande but if it gets contagious that will change, I suspect.

They aren't playing BlackRock's game (so far), which is a good tack to take. Will they get their digital currency when they thought? Probably not.
randye OCT 04, 09:51 PM

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Originally posted by Hudini:


It’s not unrealistic if you understand the difference between social programs and socialism. People like rayb and Threedog confuse the two and then talk down to “nut-cons” because we question their premise. The Chinese economy is capitalist. They have socialized medicine like Europe. They have social security like us. It’s paid for by taxes. They do not own the means of production like they did before 1978. They are heavily invested in certain industries like we did when bailing out GM and Chysler. Just beware of the anti-nut-cons known as libtards.



Leftists also make the same dumb conflation about Scandinavian countries.

Their Comrade Bernie Sanders bolstered his political platform with that lie.

Sweden indeed did "dabble" around with socialism in the early 70's but quickly felt the pain and the damage and went back to a strict free market economy in the 80s.

Norway, Denmark and Finland never went down that Marxist blind alley and they have always had very robust free market economies, especially Norway which derives huge capitalist income from offshore oil.

They also have generous social programs but they are paid for by taxes that are actually MUCH LESS now, (both individual and corporate), than during their failed socialist experiment.

My extended family still owns and operates one of the few remaining independent beef and dairy cattle, ( Fjällko), operations in Sweden. They very nearly lost everything during the "socialist economic holocaust" as my cousin calls it.

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ray b OCT 06, 11:08 AM
the ONLY are a few ways to have socialist/commie take over

THE ONE is install a RIGHTWING AUTHORITARIAN GOVERNMENT FIRST

that worked in russia with the czar

that worked in china as they had warlords

that was the way it worked in cuba with a rightwing dictator plus the american MOB

same as nic with a rightwing dictator


there is one other way
fight and lose a war with a commie nation
ask hitler how that goes

the is NO slippery slope of a little socialism leads to a commie take over
as that has never ever happens ever anywhere
the needed precondition is a nut-con RIGHTWING AUTHORITARIAN leadership like your orange semi-god the t-RUMP
who you guys love
not the demo's who you hate

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ray b OCT 06, 11:57 AM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
RAYB! Been a long time! Haven't seen you on here in a while! I'm back in Florida now... not Miami, but Tampa. I don't see Neptune posting here, I think he was in Orlando, Randye is in Tampa... and there's a few others of us.

Just shows how long we've all been here. Your avatar refers to the Tea Party, and I don't think the vast majority of people today even remember what that was. That was like ~11-12 years ago, haha.

What have you been up to?



last major project was a cat 5 proof roof
as we are in the ANDREW eye wall path
and the old roof a rush post ANDREW JOB was failing [done before I bought] as are most around here

got a bunch of neighbors to help and redid my roof to survive the more intense hurricanes we have had recently
as no roofer would even bid on the job the way I wanted it done

lucked into surplus NEW plywood from a huge condo job still bundled cheap before the huge price jump I got 100 sheets
and steel galvanized 5 v from a change order job [wife wanted the standing seam ] extra long way more then needed to do one layer

sister-ed [doubled] the end beams then added 2 extra plywood layers screwed and glued for a 1 1/2 '' base deck that is effectively one piece
code is 1 layer of ply nailed on no glue no screws how can that stand up to a cat 5 ? most do NOT
then used new synthetic no tar no paper materials to seal the wood [plastic] call hi-temp ice and water shield that self seals the screws
and doubled every other metal sheet of gal steel with extra long screws into the beams not just the decking
some are 4 layer laps over the roof peak
bent and screwed down the ends to the fascia so winds can't flap them [roofers will not do that ]
then added 1/2'' SS cable 23k load rated lbs over the roof to the ground slab just in case

we are in a rare no flood no surge area so wind only threat here
if ANDREW could not flood us nothing will until GW raises the sea level a few feet

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sourmash OCT 06, 01:03 PM
Al Gore promised a 20 foot increase in sea levels. Has that deadline already passed for when it was supposed to happen. Greta and AOC promise that we won't have to worry about it 10 years, because it'll be too late.

Ray, your historical example has no line of connection. I will say, without a communist movement from the Bolsheviks there would be no successful NSDAP right wing group assuming power. So, what you're trying to say is reversed from what happened. The West called Germany a miracle and made Adolf Man of the Year. Britain and the USA made the Soviet communist successor in Germany what it became. We put almost half of Europe under communist Soviet Allies. How'd that work out?
ray b OCT 06, 03:22 PM

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Originally posted by sourmash:

Al Gore promised a 20 foot increase in sea levels. Has that deadline already passed for when it was supposed to happen. Greta and AOC promise that we won't have to worry about it 10 years, because it'll be too late.

Ray, your historical example has no line of connection. I will say, without a communist movement from the Bolsheviks there would be no successful NSDAP right wing group assuming power. So, what you're trying to say is reversed from what happened. The West called Germany a miracle and made Adolf Man of the Year. Britain and the USA made the Soviet communist successor in Germany what it became. We put almost half of Europe under communist Soviet Allies. How'd that work out?



no al never said 20ft in 20 years
and very few on the right noticed the unexpected solar spot/heat reduction that is the big current deal in post 2000 time
but even with less spots we are still gaining avg temps NOT reducing like in every prior cycle of low spots
just gaining less heat over time
but trends are clear and every year more cat 5's hit oceans are warmer ect

so I could pay 5k a year in storm ins locally separate from home owners
or pay an extra 10k once and not need high priced ins as my roof will not blow away

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ray b OCT 06, 03:27 PM
part 2

the commie thing is true
YOU DO NOT LIKE IT
BUT IT IS FACT
AUTHORITATIVE RIGHTWING GOVERNMENTS CAN AND HAVE LEAD TO COMMIE REVOLTS

simply said rightwing nut-con's like t-rump cause the commies to revolt and take power
rightwingers do not prevent commies they are the step BEFORE THE COMMIES

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2.5 OCT 06, 05:29 PM

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Originally posted by ray b:

part 2

the commie thing is true
YOU DO NOT LIKE IT
BUT IT IS FACT
AUTHORITATIVE RIGHTWING GOVERNMENTS CAN AND HAVE LEAD TO COMMIE REVOLTS

simply said rightwing nut-con's like t-rump cause the commies to revolt and take power
rightwingers do not prevent commies they are the step BEFORE THE COMMIES




The Moral of the Story

Either way.. avoid socialist commies and what they entail.
Swinging pendulums, you dont want them swinging very far each way.
They lead the public astray 1st. Part of the problem in my opinion is the erasing of principles, eroding of the constitution, and not teaching history to kids.

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82-T/A [At Work] OCT 06, 05:31 PM

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Originally posted by ray b:


last major project was a cat 5 proof roof
as we are in the ANDREW eye wall path
and the old roof a rush post ANDREW JOB was failing [done before I bought] as are most around here

got a bunch of neighbors to help and redid my roof to survive the more intense hurricanes we have had recently
as no roofer would even bid on the job the way I wanted it done

lucked into surplus NEW plywood from a huge condo job still bundled cheap before the huge price jump I got 100 sheets
and steel galvanized 5 v from a change order job [wife wanted the standing seam ] extra long way more then needed to do one layer

sister-ed [doubled] the end beams then added 2 extra plywood layers screwed and glued for a 1 1/2 '' base deck that is effectively one piece
code is 1 layer of ply nailed on no glue no screws how can that stand up to a cat 5 ? most do NOT
then used new synthetic no tar no paper materials to seal the wood [plastic] call hi-temp ice and water shield that self seals the screws
and doubled every other metal sheet of gal steel with extra long screws into the beams not just the decking
some are 4 layer laps over the roof peak
bent and screwed down the ends to the fascia so winds can't flap them [roofers will not do that ]
then added 1/2'' SS cable 23k load rated lbs over the roof to the ground slab just in case

we are in a rare no flood no surge area so wind only threat here
if ANDREW could not flood us nothing will until GW raises the sea level a few feet





Hahaha... GW... I read that as "GB" as in George Bush... haha.

No judgement, but did you get permitting for that? I ask because I had a home addition to my house in Fort Lauderdale, which I currently rent out. They had what essentially becomes two peaks going into a valley on my roof... and I have no idea why they didn't just extend the roof peak so it goes over the other one. The roof leaks every time there's a hurricane because it overwhelms that area. I'm at 16 years now with the "new roof" I had put on, and thinking of tearing all that **** out and building my own roof truss extension so the roof looks normal, and not ridiculous. Just wondering if that's something I can get away with.

Anyway, that's pretty awesome. My house doesn't flood... but it got hit hard during Wilma back in 2005.


My Fiero is still in storage somewhere in Central Florida, where it's been for literally a decade. Been thinking of finally taking it out of storage now that I live here in Tampa, and it's maybe an hour away...
ray b OCT 06, 06:06 PM
HAD A LONG PROCESS WITH LOCAL SMALL TOWN BLD DEPT HEAD GUY

started a few years before just talking about better roofing ideas
the local contractor/inspectors would only approve a by the code book design
so I had to convince the head guy an actual city employee the code don't work over cat 3
and I wanted stronger better thicker glue and screws not nailed 6 ft laps not butted metal sheets
was not quick cheap or eazy but it is strong and over code