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rinselberg AUG 17, 02:06 PM
Peter Baker, Chief White House Correspondent for the New York Times
aired August 16, 2021

Many a media commentator boasts of an elegant balance and a robust fullness, but Peter Baker delivers.

TRANSCRIPT of on-air commentary from Peter Baker, Chief White House Correspondent for the New York Times

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Well, I think this is one of these stories, Brian, where there's a lot of blame to go around. Certainly, four presidents have now presided over this war and have made different misjudgments. And certainly President Trump negotiated exactly this kind of situation.

This is not only what President Trump negotiated in terms of the agreement, he actually would have done it more precipitously and quicker. He said so, he was -- his original deal with the Taliban was to have them out by May 1. He complained that President Biden was going to extend this to August 31, wasn't going fast enough for him. In fact, at the end of his administration sign a piece of paper was intended to actually just go ahead and pull troops all together by the end of the year, by Christmas had to be talked out of it by advisors.

Remember, he [Trump] also not only was perfectly willing to negotiate with the Taliban, without the Afghan government as a participant. He was willing to invite the Taliban to Camp David. You know, the place where, you know, presidents have forever, you know, sealed momentous deals with grand, historic impact. And that was something that he [Trump] didn't see any problem with him, going to invite them on the anniversary of 9/11.

So President Trump, you know, certainly would have presided over something pretty close to this.

Now, having said all that, it's President Biden who made that decision, he didn't have to stick with President Trump's agreement. In fact, he didn't stick with President Trump's agreement, because he extended the deadline unilaterally from May 1 to August 31. So he already decided not to follow Trump's agreement. He didn't have to follow it at all, if [he, Biden] didn't want to. He presents in this speech today [as if there] were simply two choices, either follow the agreement that Trump left him or send 10s of 1000s of troops and have nothing but all out warfare. And I think that that's a rather limited framing of what the options really were in order to justify his decision.

Now, he [Biden] will be the one who will own it, because he is the president who made this decision. He is the president who executed this decision. And he is the president who is presiding over these images that we [are] showing tonight, [that] will be part of the historical record of the Biden presidency, and he will own it.

Now, there are two different distinct questions here. The policy question was [what] General McCaffrey addressed, which is to say, should we be there or not? Was it right to get out on some level or not? And then there's a second question of how you execute that if you do make that decision. And I think all those questions that you asked General McCaffrey a few minutes ago are going to be the foundation of what I assume will be a lot of questions asked by Congress, and a lot of others just to see how do we get to this point.

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randye AUG 17, 06:38 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

Peter Baker,

Many a media commentator boasts of an elegant balance and a robust fullness, but Peter Baker delivers.





Maybe you can contact the New York Slimes and get your Peter, to send you an autographed poster of himself so that you can fantasize about him "delivering his robust fullness" to you in private.

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Rickady88GT AUG 17, 07:01 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:
Many a media commentator boasts of an elegant balance and a robust fullness, but Peter Baker delivers.



Smooth talkers are not always the best person for the job.
A smooth talker can get you into that used car.
A smooth talker can get you into that time share.
That smooth talker can get you into that solar lease that ends up cost more than just buying electricity.
A smooth talker can get a job as a politician
rinselberg AUG 17, 08:14 PM

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Originally posted by Rickady88GT:
Smooth talkers are not always the best person for the job. A smooth talker can get you into that used car. A smooth talker can get you into that time share. That smooth talker can get you into that solar lease that ends up cost more than just buying electricity. A smooth talker can get a job as a politician.


I was joking about "balance" and "fullness." Trying to make it sound like a wine tasting.

I think what the New York Times's Peter Baker said--where I presented the transcript of his words---it's hard to argue against. "A lot of blame to go around, involving four different U.S. Presidents."

In that transcript of his words, that I posted here, Peter Baker voiced some of the same complaints or negatives that some Democrats have gone public with, about how Biden has handled this (Afghanistan.)

Earlier today, I saw an article where someone described as a "Democratic strategist" was calling for or at least suggesting that Biden's Secretary of State (Antony Blinken) and National Security Advisor (Jake Sullivan ) offer their resignations to the President, because of what's been happening in Afghanistan and how the Biden administration has been "doing it."

I guess I could find that article again, but I'm trying to make this a fast one. I did find this:

"Former Obama National Security Council staffer calls on President Biden to fire National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan over "Afghanistan failure'"
Bryan Metzger for Business Insider; August 16, 2021.
https://www.businessinsider...r-afghanistan-2021-8

The New York Times's Peter Baker, of "elegant balance and robust fullness" [sic] didn't go that far in the transcript that I provided earlier in this thread, but you do see Peter Baker questioning the way that Biden "framed the options" when Biden was talking about the situation and the Biden administration's handling of it. Peter Baker saying (in so many words) that President Biden has been somewhat disingenuous or not perfectly honest about the situation, in his [Biden's] Presidential remarks.

Or you could see (from the transcript that I posted.)


Chief White House Correspondent for the New York Times, Peter Baker.

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Jonesy AUG 21, 05:22 PM

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Originally posted by FieroSTETZ:

I more took umbrage with 82 t/a's dismissal because "you're a democrat". It's just annoying.

It's frustrating that literally everything is becoming a partisan issue. I lament the day when something like wiping vs. a bidet becomes a political issue.
Also if your wife asks you to install a bidet seat, do verify you have a pressure regulator in place first :




Well thats kinda how things work around here.. This forum is highly conservative, so if you challenge or even just ask questions about what they post, well this is what you get. You ask for information, you get attacked, put down, or dismissed, because you wouldn't ask unless you disagree right?. But they know the "real facts" as opposed to anyone else because they are internet armchair warriors, and they read it on the interwebs, so it must be true.. (basically whatever they hear or read off conservative websites and news shows, because those are trustworthy with no political agendas, lol..)

So political discussions here are pretty pointless, as you get nothing real out of them, unless your one of those who enjoy being piled on because you disagreed. Nobody here has anything to say other than what they hear from other people, telling them what they want to hear, very little originality here. Nuanced discussion here isn't a thing. Unless you plan to just agree with whatever drivel they post, then your fine.

And no doubt ill get some Negatives added to my account after posting this.. Because that's also how they do things around here. Cause why have interesting discussion and debate, when you can just have an echo chamber instead.

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randye AUG 21, 08:28 PM



"Biden has badly, visibly bungled America’s withdrawal from Afghanistan. He has compounded the problem with his sluggish and dishonest public statements. This has gone so badly that even people and institutions that are normally sympathetic to Biden and his party have noticed. American allies have been appalled, and vocal about it. What is slowly dawning on people is that Biden’s critics were right about him all along. "

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Just one day...ONE DAMN DAY...after LYING to the American people about the huge American hostage crisis that is about to unfold that HIS ADMINISTRATION CAUSED,....

The U.S. Embassy in Afghanistan is ADMITTING THAT AMERICANS CANNOT GET TO THE AIRPORT ON THEIR OWN TO BE RESCUED

Joe Talibiden has NO PLAN how to get Americans safely out but instead tells them to what?

Does he assure them that help is on the way?

Does he assure them that their country is doing everything possible to secure their safety?

NO


He tells them DON'T CALL US FOR HELP... STAY IN PLACE, busy yourselves filling out some NEEDLESS PAPERWORK, ...WATCH FACEBOOK AND TWITTER, (if it's even operating) and....... OBEY THE TALIBAN



https://af.usembassy.gov/se...stan-august-21-2021/





This surreal.

There are THOUSANDS of Americans and their families trapped in Afghanistan.

Joe Talibiden has NO CLUE how to get them safely out and this is very quickly shaping up to make the Iran hostage crisis look like tiny by comparison.

By contrast, British paratroopers were going around outside of the confines of the airport and rescuing UK citizens and families and bringing them back to safety.

This is just shameful for our once great country

Let me repeat:

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82-T/A [At Work] AUG 21, 08:45 PM

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Originally posted by FieroSTETZ:

I more took umbrage with 82 t/a's dismissal because "you're a democrat". It's just annoying.

It's frustrating that literally everything is becoming a partisan issue. I lament the day when something like wiping vs. a bidet becomes a political issue.
Also if your wife asks you to install a bidet seat, do verify you have a pressure regulator in place first :




What are you talking about... this link? https://www.fiero.nl/forum/.../HTML/126754.html#p7

I mean, am I wrong? You are a Democrat, right?


We're no longer in the era of Bill Clinton and George H.W. Bush, where we all were more or less centrists and we just disagreed on a few things.

There is a diametric difference... a chasm if you will, between today's Republicans, and today's Democrats.


To Sourmash's point... Republicans have by and large become pretty liberal. I myself identify far more with Bill Clinton (the very first president I voted for). I'm a fiscal Conservative... both in practice and my belief in how the Federal government should be run, and I also believe in meritocracy. I'm the product of two naturalized US citizens, half-Hispanic, married a Jewish girl, half my family is gay, and a whole laundry list of other non stereotypical concepts.

But when you look at today's Democrats:

1 - Believe in Open Borders
2 - Believe in Defunding the Police
3 - Believe in Modern Monetary Theory (and literally are trying to pass a 4 trillion dollar spending bill!)
4 - Hated Donald Trump so badly, that they overturned everything he did out of spite, without even looking at it...
5 - ... like Donald Trump's succession plan in Afghanistan. Biden didn't follow it, didn't even hold the Taliban accountable when they violated the agreement, he just pulled out and let them take over.
6 - Believe in Universal Income ... I mean, really?
7 - Believe welfare growth is a measure of success
8 - Black Lives Matter... don't get me started, it's a Marxist organization that supports #2 above
9 - Communism / Socialism. The vast majority... seriously, the VAST MAJORITY of Democrats under the age of 40, believe Communism is better than Capitalism.


NONE of these are generalizations. This is the reality of where we are today as a society.

I could care less about the "Republican" party... I support the majority of their moderate views, and support fiscal conservatism. I'd say they rarely support fiscal conservatism themselves... but the amount of money that Biden has spent thus far, and will spend before this single term is up, pretty much sets a record that... if we beat it, this country will not be around any longer.


I just don't even know how anyone can consider themselves a Democrat today if you don't even support the majority of the things I mentioned above.


I don't know what you were hoping to get out of your retorts here... but I'm happy to debate ANYTHING you want. But your comments were all posted before this latest debacle with Biden. Honestly... I think at this point you see yourself how bad things are right now. The Democrat party is a complete disaster... and the only reason why anyone would even support the party is because they support those things (or even a slight majority of it), or they're so set in their "team player" mindset that they'll support the Democrat party no matter what they do... even if they try to raise Hitler from the dead.
randye AUG 21, 09:27 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:


.....they'll support the Democrat party no matter what they do... even if they try to raise Hitler from the dead.





While that might seem like a hyperbolic statement at first blush, the fact is that in no time in history since Woodrow Wilson have Demorats been so closely in touch with their National Socialist roots, so the idea of creating a new, more modern, version of Ol' Adolph probably isn't so far fetched.

From gun confiscation plans to state control of media just look at what's been promoted by Demorat Leftists just in the past 5 years.

Even Obama played around with recreating a new Hitlerjungend and a Volksturm with his "National Civilian Security Force” that would be “just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded as the U.S. military."

Inside every Demorat Leftist is a totalitarian screaming to get out.

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olejoedad AUG 22, 09:39 AM
It's apparent to me that the moves made by the current administration are part of a deliberate and intentional plan to bring about the fall of our system of government.
It's being played as "feeble minded Joe" - but he is, as are the rest of the 'players', willing footsoldiers in the plot to destroy this country.

They are traitors. They deserve arrest, prosecution and execution.
sourmash AUG 22, 10:49 AM
That's just a conspiracy theory, isnt it?