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cvxjet MAY 08, 09:47 PM

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Originally posted by sourmash:

Ugg. Lots of things I cant stomach on both sides. No thanks to both parties.



Sourmash, you are actually saying basically what I believe; It isn't the left or right, the liberals or conservatives or anything else that is "perfect" or "perfectly WRONG"....It is the organizations of power that LEADS to bad things.

Power corrupts...absolute power corrupts absolutely. Big business is not evil, nor government...they can both be good, but the more power, the more chance for that power to be exploited for bad or evil purposes. Limits need to be applied to both...or....ALL forms of power. And I believe 100% in term limits for EVERYONE in government.

As for Randy......You constantly berate anyone who says ANYTHING against your extreme beliefs...."Leftist" is what you call them.......You could call me a lot of things (And sometimes I would probably deserve a lot of bad titles) but Leftist is one that would get you in a lot of trouble if you weren't hiding behind your keyboard.....but you want everyone to only agree with you and your hero, lord Trump...That is very much like another thing you (Obviously) really like; Nazism
82-T/A [At Work] MAY 08, 10:26 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

Where is "Democrat University" that indoctrinates a budding young member of the Democratic Party of today with the unbroken lineage of Democrats from as far back as the first Democrats of the 19th century, and forwards through the Civil War, the Jim Crow era and then the 1960s and more recent times? Or the "Republican University"..?



Take your pick... K-12? A lot of teachers are just there to teach. The big difference between normal people and a radical leftist though, is that they use every opportunity to indoctrinate, and that's where we have a problem. It no longer becomes a difference of opinion, it's a brain washing.



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Originally posted by rinselberg:
That is just nonsense.



I know it's not fun, but nothing I said above was factually incorrect. I don't really understand your insinuation that everyone who did bad things as a Democrat was just doing it because it was convenient. That is how most Democrats felt at the time. The ONLY lineage I have in this country (since my dad is from the Netherlands and my mom was born in Argentina), is through my mom's father, who moved to Argentina in the 1960s for work (and then married an Argentine woman). His family goes back to the revolutionary war, and from the beginning of time, they were Whig supporters (as land owners) and then became Republicans. My great, great, great grandfather (and his father) fought for the Missouri 23rd Volunteer Regiment for the Union Army. They were all Republicans, and my family has always been Republican. My grandmother, grandfather, and my mom, and uncle, and aunt, all fled Argentina against the Socialist Peronist Regime... a type of Government that was really popular among Democrats. They all became Republicans. My great grandfather who fought in WW1, he was Republican. My grandfather who fought in WW2, he was Republican. My uncle who fought in Vietnam, he was Republican too.

There was never a "change over..." never has been, never was.

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rinselberg MAY 08, 10:32 PM

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Originally posted by randye:

Of course you don't see any significance.

For LEFTISTS, history begins each morning.

You spend an incredible amount of time trying to hide, ignore, or deny your real ideological history, and openly trying to assign to others what you can't hide, ignore or deny.

So, of course you "don't see any significance". You wouldn't admit it even if you did.


Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like this isn't some "personal character attack" that has nothing to do with the actual discussion of the topic--such as it was.

Just more mindless name calling here from someone who's basically a random text string generator. Random, with the one constraint that there has to be the word "Leftist" or some variation of it.

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randye MAY 08, 11:09 PM

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Originally posted by cvxjet:

Randy- You spit on true conservative values every time you come on here- You are taking your ideology straight from the Nazi and other fascist dictator playbook....




So which is it?

First you say that I'm somehow a "Russia / Putin" sympathizer and then I'm a "Trump lover"........NOW you're calling me a NAZI and a fascist.

Could you maybe land on just ONE or do all the different ideologies just kind of muddle together for you as some sort of weird pejorative?

Gaging from your posting history on this forum, I don't think it's a stretch to say that even a rudimentary understanding of political science just isn't "in your wheelhouse".

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rinselberg MAY 08, 11:44 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

Take your pick... K-12? A lot of teachers are just there to teach. The big difference between normal people and a radical leftist though, is that they use every opportunity to indoctrinate, and that's where we have a problem. It no longer becomes a difference of opinion, it's a brain washing.

I know it's not fun, but nothing I said above was factually incorrect. I don't really understand your insinuation that everyone who did bad things as a Democrat was just doing it because it was convenient. That is how most Democrats felt at the time. The ONLY lineage I have in this country (since my dad is from the Netherlands and my mom was born in Argentina), is through my mom's father, who moved to Argentina in the 1960s for work (and then married an Argentine woman). His family goes back to the revolutionary war, and from the beginning of time, they were Whig supporters (as land owners) and then became Republicans. My great, great, great grandfather (and his father) fought for the Missouri 23rd Volunteer Regiment for the Union Army. They were all Republicans, and my family has always been Republican. My grandmother, grandfather, and my mom, and uncle, and aunt, all fled Argentina against the Socialist Peronist Regime... a type of Government that was really popular among Democrats. They all became Republicans. My great grandfather who fought in WW1, he was Republican. My grandfather who fought in WW2, he was Republican. My uncle who fought in Vietnam, he was Republican too.

There was never a "change over..." never has been, never was.


It's not so much what you say in that checklist of Democrats vs Republicans, historically. It's what you don't say.

Eugenics, for example. I've seen documentaries on how that took hold and gained a following in the United States. Democrats--yes. Republicans--yes. The Eugenics movement attracted many Republicans. Well to do and wealthy Republicans. They were called out in the TV documentary that I saw, sitting side by side with Democrats at a large Eugenics movement gathering and banquet.

What about the years that passed after World War One and the years that most directly led up to the outbreak of World War Two? Were the Republicans any better, on the whole, than the Democrats during that period--looking back at it in the rearview mirror of history? I think that would be a hard case to make.

I look at your "checklist" and I see an oversimplified view of history. A "2-D" version of history.

I don't find it at all convincing towards the premise of why someone of today would do better for themselves or for their community (their state; the United States) to "be" or to "go" Republican than Democrat. I'm sure that other ways of supporting that premise are available, but your "checklist"..? Doesn't work for me.

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randye MAY 08, 11:47 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:


I know it's not fun, but nothing I said above was factually incorrect.





You are 100% spot on correct and the Left will go to any length to try to cover up who and what they really were and are:



"The DNC Web site section labeled "Party History," linked here, is in fact scrubbed clean of the not-so-little dirty secret that fueled Democrats' political successes for over a century and a half and made American life a hell on earth for black Americans. Literally, the DNC official history, which begins with the creation of the party in 1800, gets to the creation of the DNC itself in 1848 and then--poof!--the next sentence says: "As the 19th Century came to a close, the American electorate changed more and more rapidly." It quickly heads into a riff on poor immigrants coming to America.

In a stroke, 52 years of Democratic history vanishes. Disappeared faster than the truth in the Clinton administration."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB121856786326834083

As I said before, "For Leftists, history begins each morning.", because their actual recorded history is horrifyingly ugly and devastating.


During their rise to power in the mid 1930s the Nazi party actually used the Democrat's "Jim Crow Laws" as a blueprint for crafting their 1935 anti- Jew "Nuremburg Laws" laws but even the Nazis considered the Democrat's racist, "one drop of negro blood" rule too extreme.

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sourmash MAY 09, 08:34 AM
Rinselberg always does that routine that we can't point fingers and affix blame about the past. That's not true for the things he covers for. It's true about some things, but not his approach.


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Originally posted by cvxjet:
Sourmash, you are actually saying basically what I believe; It isn't the left or right, the liberals or conservatives or anything else that is "perfect" or "perfectly WRONG"....It is the organizations of power that LEADS to bad things.


No, we really aren't saying the same thing or what you believe. It's the left that's the problem. What you and most normies think is that there is a right in Wash.
There's a radical left and there are appeasers of the left.

The Reps are the party of the EPA and massive amnesty. They created the oppressive gov that required posse comitatus to protect us when this nation was bludgeoned into compliance after 1865 and to recreate what now exists. Abusive government is why the KKK was formed. That and WWII are why America is the nation of globalism. It wasnt the preeminent nation, but now it is. The carpet-baggers of post 1865 America were the same group as in 1920s-30s Germany abusing Germans which helped give rise to the NAZI party as a response. Abuse people and there's a backlash. Trump was a backlash. A lifelong Northeastern elite supporter of Democrats like the Clintons. He's the one you associate with NAZIs.

The Republicans aren't conservative nor the right.

We had 4 years where the Death Train was SLOWED, but still inching forward. Now your party is going balls to the wall to make up time. And the Republicans aren't representing us again. It's the McCain, Paul Ryan, Linsay Graham party again. But now it's Mitt Romney, Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, Liz Cheney. Until that party dies we're at the mercy of the radical left.


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Big business is not evil, nor government...they can both be good, but the more power, the more chance for that power to be exploited for bad or evil purposes. Limits need to be applied to both...or....ALL forms of power. And I believe 100% in term limits for EVERYONE in government.



Big gov and big corporations are evil. They do evil. Zuckerberg is evil. So is Dorsey and Google, and, and, and....


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As for Randy......You constantly berate anyone who says ANYTHING against your extreme beliefs...."Leftist" is what you call them.......You could call me a lot of things (And sometimes I would probably deserve a lot of bad titles) but Leftist is one that would get you in a lot of trouble if you weren't hiding behind your keyboard.....but you want everyone to only agree with you and your hero, lord Trump...That is very much like another thing you (Obviously) really like; Nazism



I don't find anything extreme in Randye's beliefs. I find your statements to be radical and are nonsense.

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cliffw MAY 09, 09:23 AM

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Originally posted by cvxjet:

A friend of mine ate himself to death watching Faux "News"...Ate himself up to 400 lbs, then had his foot amputated due to Diabetes....while in rehab they got him down to 300...When he got out he started shoveling food down again and was back up to 400 in 2 months. Could hardly walk.....Finally had a heart attack and passed in 2017.

He was a guitarist and had a $500 professional charcoal sketch of Jimi framed.......But after watching Faux (24/7) he started saying the "N" word all the time and bought 30 guns which he hid in a secret closet.....If I visited him at home or in Rehab, I would have to argue with him to turn down the volume but he would never turn off Faux.

He also stated that Russia was a great country and America was crap....."We need to look to Russia on how to run things!"



Hang out with dumbazzes, have dumbazz friends. I don't believe one word of what you posted. It makes everything you post and posted, "suspect".
rinselberg MAY 09, 01:30 PM

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Comically ironic since the Leftist that posted that proudly admits that he lives on a steady diet of "MSLSD" [MSNBC.]


Unlike the "Foxmania" defendant, I'm not facing criminal charges from the January 6 Capitol Building "open house."

I'll leave it to the curious to track down the "genius" that said that and whether there's anything particularly comical, or ironic, or comically ironic or even ironically comical about it.

It's a non sequitur.

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cvxjet MAY 09, 02:19 PM

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Originally posted by cliffw:


Hang out with dumbazzes, have dumbazz friends. I don't believe one word of what you posted. It makes everything you post and posted, "suspect".



You know, all throughout my life I have gotten into trouble for being truthful....To bosses, to women, etc. I had a new boss almost every year while working for the Coast Guard, and the pattern was always the same; At first they would think "If he tells me this, then the TRUTH must be really bad!" Then, towards the end of their "reign", they would realize that they could trust me completely. A few months after I retired I talked to a co-worker (civilian) and he told me they had FOUR guys trying to do my job.

Lying is just not part of my make-up.

Also, it always amazes me how brave little people can be when they hide behind their keyboard....