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quote Originally posted by williegoat: Now for the trick question: How do we know that anything we read about N.B.Forrest is any more accurate than what we have read about D.J.Trump, B.Kavanaugh or H.Biden?

It is manifestly obvious that the vast majority of what rinse thinks he knows is, as usual,

quote Originally posted by rinselberg: .....his being associated with and widely reported as responsible for a notorious massacre of black Union soldiers (a "war crime") and his role in the creation of the original Ku Klux Klan or "KKK 1.0."

For example, Forrest DID NOT participate in "creating" the KKK. He joined the KKK in 1867 over 2 YEARS AFTER it's founding and he left it 2 years later in 1869.

General Forrest WAS NOT "responsible for a notorious massacre of black Union soldiers (a "war crime")" .

He offered the troops at Fort Pilllow, TN an opportunity to surrender TWICE.

“Your gallant defense of Fort Pillow has entitled you to the treatment of brave men”, the note read.

They refused to surrender and when his assault on the fort was concluded both the white and black troops (600 strong) had lost approx. 50% of their total number with 64% of the black Union troops reported dead of a section from the 2nd U.S. Colored Light Artillery, and one battalion from the 6th U.S. Colored Heavy Artillery.

There was NEVER any order from Forrest to his troops to "massacre" anyone and Forrest was never charged with any "war crime".

As is usual with Leftists and their notoriously bad to nonexistent grasp of history, facts don't matter, only feelings.

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To leave the NBF bronze where it is, in a place of prominence in the TN State Capitol Building, is the same as raising the Confederate battle flag above the State Capitol Building. It's paying homage to something that needs to be remembered, but can never be legitimized or turned into some alternate history that's just as good or better than the preservation of the Union and the abolition of slavery. It's wrong.

The TN State Historical Commission has it right. They signed off on a plan to move the bronzes of three different men of TN military history (three, including NBF) from the Capitol Building to the nearby State Museum, where their stories can be presented in a sensible way.

All of this "back and forth" about whether it's fair to think of NBF as a "war criminal" in the rearview mirror of history, or whether he was uniquely important in the creation of the original KKK or just "went along for the ride" (etc.; etc.; etc.) is beside the point. It's immaterial. As is the evidence of his having become what could fairly be called a "black civil rights advocate and activist" in the years following the Civil War.

The NBF bronze belongs in a museum that is set up to accommodate a full and fair accounting of NBF and the two other figures of Tennessee military history that are part of this relocation proposal.

The "back and forth" about NBF that is on display right here in this Pennock's Topic is exactly why the NBF bronze should be given a new place of residence at the TN State Museum.

This is the TN Capitol Building at the center of this discussion. It's the single most important building in the state. It's not a place for memories of the KKK or the Confederacy.


What's seen cannot be unseen.

I expect what might be coming is a large poster or painting of George Washington that was used as the backdrop at one of the Nazi-sympathizing German American Bund rallies of the 1930s.

That's not going to change my mind about this.

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quote Originally posted by rinselberg: That's not going to change my mind about this.

I don't recall EVER seeing facts change a Leftist's mind about anything.

Lefties are the most stubbornly fact free, emotion filled, individuals in the human population.

Because:

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