 
     |
| Is O/T over? (Page 6/8) |
|
randye
|
MAR 09, 05:43 PM
|
|
| quote | Originally posted by skywurz:
To be clear what i meant with boomers was their political stances and ideals. I find that in my experience boomers are the most passionate about their political side and have their heels dug in deep. This makes talking about any opposing viewpoint fairly pointless.
|
|
OK then, lets just go with that.
If you're making reference to conservatives on this forum, that "heels dug in deep" comes from something that you likely find very difficult to understand from your youthful perspective.
A lot of it is called "wisdom" and it comes from a life of experience and learning what does and does not work for success in life.
That's also where that "most passionate about their political side" comes from since we have lived and experienced both what works and does not and according we have perspective that you cannot possibly have, so when children want to proffer their "opposing viewpoint" to their elders it is viewed within the context of your inexperience and ignorance.
No doubt you will bristle at the word "ignorance" but I didn't say "stupidity" because there is a distinct and important difference between the two.
Ignorance can be rectified by gaining knowledge whereas stupidity cannot.
Experience generally only comes with time.
I'm not yet convinced that you are stupid but your prior posts in this thread are not helping you.[This message has been edited by randye (edited 03-09-2021).]
|
|
|
|
sourmash
|
MAR 09, 05:47 PM
|
|
|
So antifa and BLM rioting, burning down cities, assaulting people and committing murder, their heels aren't dug in deeper?
|
|
|
|
randye
|
MAR 09, 06:02 PM
|
|
| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
So antifa and BLM rioting, burning down cities, assaulting people and committing murder, their heels aren't dug in deeper? |
|
Remains to be seen because my experience tells me that the vast majority of them are children being led by people and ideas they don't understand and their "heels are dug into" nothing more substantial than Marxist sand.
There are at least a couple of us on this forum that had our "heels dug into" Leftist ideology so deep that we were members of the SDS, (Students for a Democratic Society), and we cheered at the riots, arson, assaults and murder of the 60's and early 70's.
| quote | [[/strike]B]Originally posted by blackrams:[/B]
Some things are learned the hard way no matter how hard we try to teach a better way. I assure you, I've learned some hard lessons. Such is life I guess.
|
|
YUP[This message has been edited by randye (edited 03-09-2021).]
|
|
|
|
skywurz
|
MAR 09, 06:17 PM
|
|
| quote | Originally posted by randye:
OK then, lets just go with that.
If you're making reference to conservatives on this forum, that "heels dug in deep" comes from something that you likely find very difficult to understand from your youthful perspective.
A lot of it is called "wisdom" and it comes from a life of experience and learning what does and does not work for success in life.
That's also where that "most passionate about their political side" comes from since we have lived and experienced both what works and does not and according we have perspective that you cannot possibly have, so when children want to proffer their "opposing viewpoint" to their elders it is viewed within the context of your inexperience and ignorance.
No doubt you will bristle at the word "ignorance" but I didn't say "stupidity" because there is a distinct and important difference between the two.
Ignorance can be rectified by gaining knowledge, and experience whereas stupidity cannot.
I'm not yet convinced that you are stupid but your prior posts in this thread are not helping you. |
|
Being called ignorant due to inexperience is fine. I am very open to hearing why people have certain view points because everyone goes through life differently and has experienced different things. Cant learn anything if you don't listen. But most of the time people cant articulate why they feel a certain way on a topic. They just become irate and are "just because". For instance (ok we are moving away from dug in boomers to cancel culture) on this forum we have a topic "Have Any Of You Taken The Kung Flu Vaccine ? ... " Now id love to post in there and say hey i have an appointment. But in the area im in, that title is considered very racist and bigoted. People around here would kick and scream on the ground and call you "Hitler" for saying something like that. They wont even tell you why or have a conversation about it. (bad example as this one is kinda obvious) So because of this im more in the house of it's none of your business. Two people care for each other and want to sign a contract stating as such "None of my business" People want to purchase and own firearms for protection/sporting "None of my business" If people are not hurting other people I really dont care it is "None of my business" However I do feel like the government should be doing something to stop letting people sit with all the money up top https://mkorostoff.github.io/1-pixel-wealth/ Perhaps do something so if someone with health care needs stitches it still does not cost them 1k out of pocket? These are a couple examples of things that are hurting the masses that should be all of our business.
Just some thoughts
|
|
|
|
sourmash
|
MAR 09, 06:20 PM
|
|
|
Lived thru both. Ugly times. You aren't confused that those protests were similar are you? Those were protests against Gov't interventionism, conscription, against large government and personal freedom.
|
|
|
|
randye
|
MAR 09, 07:04 PM
|
|
| quote | Originally posted by skywurz:
Being called ignorant due to inexperience is fine. I am very open to hearing why people have certain view points because everyone goes through life differently and has experienced different things. Cant learn anything if you don't listen. But most of the time people cant articulate why they feel a certain way on a topic. They just become irate and are "just because". For instance (ok we are moving away from dug in boomers to cancel culture) on this forum we have a topic "Have Any Of You Taken The Kung Flu Vaccine ? ... " Now id love to post in there and say hey i have an appointment. But in the area im in, that title is considered very racist and bigoted. People around here would kick and scream on the ground and call you "Hitler" for saying something like that. They wont even tell you why or have a conversation about it. (bad example as this one is kinda obvious) So because of this im more in the house of it's none of your business. Two people care for each other and want to sign a contract stating as such "None of my business" People want to purchase and own firearms for protection/sporting "None of my business" If people are not hurting other people I really dont care it is "None of my business" However I do feel like the government should be doing something to stop letting people sit with all the money up top https://mkorostoff.github.io/1-pixel-wealth/ Perhaps do something so if someone with health care needs stitches it still does not cost them 1k out of pocket? These are a couple examples of things that are hurting the masses that should be all of our business.
Just some thoughts
|
|
Ok, I'm not going to attempt to "herd cats" with you but you have just demonstrated one of the things that causes you to have so much difficulty communicating in this forum.
You jumped around in one run-on block of text, (paragraphs are your friend as well as your reader), and more importantly, you jumped around from "racist and bigoted" to cancel culture to vaccinations, to personal privacy, to homosexual "marriage" (I think...), to gun rights, to government wealth redistribution (a VERY Marxist idea), to healthcare costs, to "hurting the masses", (your language is steeped in Marxist language and rhetoric).
Try to organize your thoughts. Be clear and concise. Stay on topic.
None of those suggestions are any guarantee that your ideas are going to be embraced or even seriously considered, but it will be a start to you being able to communicate in a more mature manner.
Keep your emotions in check. Nobody other than your mommy really cares how you feel, so keep in mind the fact that robust debate is NOT for those incapable of controlling their emotions. If you cannot do that it will not end well for you when you try to engage with adult conservatives here.
Beyond that, how you make a distinction between so many things being "none of your business" and yet how much money someone has IS yours or the government's business seems incongruent and irreconcilable, but experience demonstrates to me that the vast majority of Leftists have a weird habit of holding two or more completely incompatible and irreconcilable positions in their heads simultaneously and never give it any critical or rational notice.[This message has been edited by randye (edited 03-09-2021).]
|
|
|
|
randye
|
MAR 09, 07:33 PM
|
|
| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
Lived thru both. Ugly times. You aren't confused that those protests were similar are you? Those were protests against Gov't interventionism, conscription, against large government and personal freedom. |
|
I'm not confused a bit.
Like all other true devotees of the "movement" at the time, I happily read and believed everything from Karl Marx, Chairman Mao and Ho Chi Minh to W.E.B. DuBois and Saul Alinsky and "Prarie Fire-The Politics of Revolutionary Anti-Imperialism" by Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn and other members of the Weather Underground.
I listened to the voices of the Black Panther Party, the Structural Feminists, the Wobblies, the RYM, Abbie Hoffman, Tom Hayden, Jerry Rubin and a host of others deceiving an entire generation of youth.
You "lived through it".
I lived it.
I'm not confused a bit.[This message has been edited by randye (edited 03-09-2021).]
|
|
|
|
sourmash
|
MAR 09, 07:55 PM
|
|
|
|
|
skywurz
|
MAR 09, 07:57 PM
|
|
[sub][/sub]
| quote | Originally posted by randye:
Ok, I'm not going to attempt to "herd cats" with you but you have just demonstrated one of the things that causes you to have so much difficulty communicating in this forum.
You jumped around in one run-on block of text, (paragraphs are your friend as well as your reader), and more importantly, you jumped around from vaccinations, to personal privacy, to homosexual "marriage" (I think...), to gun rights, to government wealth redistribution (a VERY Marxist idea), to healthcare costs, to "hurting the masses", (your language is steeped in Marxist language and rhetoric).
Try to organize our thoughts. Be clear and concise. Stay on topic.
None of those suggestions are any guarantee that your ideas are going to be embraced or even seriously considered, but it will be a start to you being able to communicate in a more mature manner.
Beyond that, how you make a distinction between some things being "none of your business" and yet how much money someone has IS, seems incongruent and irreconcilable, but experience demonstrates to me that the vast majority of Leftists have a weird habit of holding two or more completely incompatible and irreconcilable positions in their heads simultaneously and never give it any critical or rational notice. |
|
Thank you. I appreciate the feedback I genuinely do. Run on sentences and paragraphs are something I know I suck at and try to work on. These examples really help.
Idk I have been at home for a year now. The wife hates politics and just before Covid a bunch of people at work got "woke"? So my political banter has been kind of non existent. I miss picking apart certain topics and seeing different perspectives.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
To bring back the bank account thing. Its more of a was this person taxed fairly on it? (I know this opens up the argument what is fair) Also you now have more money than you and your children's children could possibly need why do you still treat your employees poorly? Because of the share holders right? I swap from "not caring none of my business" to caring because it seems like they are hurting people.
|
|
|
|
randye
|
MAR 09, 08:27 PM
|
|
| quote | Originally posted by skywurz:
To bring back the bank account thing. Its more of a was this person taxed fairly on it? (I know this opens up the argument what is fair) Also you now have more money than you and your children's children could possibly need why do you still ? Because of the share holders right? I swap from "not caring none of my business" to caring because it seems like they are hurting people.
|
|
Who are you or the government to decide what is "more money than you and your children's children could possibly need" ?
How much money is that exactly?
Are you going to tell us all about "The 1%" ?
Do you understand that even if you magically got rid of "the 1%" there is always the next "1%"....and then the next....and then the next.....
Do you understand that is called "A zero sum game" ?
Do you understand that Marxism / Socialism thrives on basic envy and resentment and that there is never an end to it ?
Do you understand that "caring because it seems like they are hurting people" is actually your feelings dictating your ideas on fiscal policy, something that is always best decided dispassionately, rationally and methodically ?
Who is the "they" that "are hurting people" ? How are they "hurt" ? Do you see your world as "victims and oppressors" ?
Do you know that envy and resentment along with the idea of the world as "victims and oppressors" is a basic tenet of Marxism ?
Do you know why?[This message has been edited by randye (edited 03-09-2021).]
|
|
|
|