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sourmash MAR 15, 06:36 AM
Mr. r that is possibly the most recklessly stupid meme any sheep could be shown.

Covid19 is nature's way of telling obese people why they need to get healthy, and how medical fat management plus government can't save them.
maryjane MAR 15, 07:35 AM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

MJ, you are right, the Government will never lie to you. It always has your best interest in mind.

The CDC would never be driven by the fact that it's receiving four times the amount of funding it's ever received in the history of the organization. All the state health officials who have said that they list death by car accident a COVID death if the person has COVID at the time, are wrong.


I've asked before, how many that is and received no answer. I'll ask again and provide you with some data with which to extrapolate the answer, since I assume you have the covid attributed auto fatalities at your disposal.
The NHTSA auto accident fatality numbers are not complete for 2020 but nationwide, there were 16,988 traffic fatalities in 2019 out of 228,680,000 licensed drivers in the same year. The preliminary numbers for 2020 traffic fatalities stand at 42,060.
USA currently has 1,646 C0vid deaths/1 million inhabitants.
USA population is 332,362,663 people.
There were in 2020, 209,128,094 Americans over the age of 18. (driving age)
As of Dec 31, 2020, there were 360,414 Covid19 deaths in the USA.

How many (as a number or %) auto deaths were attributed to Covid19?

While you are pondering that, you can glance over this:
https://www.abc10.com/artic...15-8b97-c2ae75c2b2ce

Please, feel free to prove this wrong with some real facts and data.
Lambo nut MAR 15, 07:56 AM

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Originally posted by maryjane:


Please, feel free to prove this wrong with some real facts and data.



Prove any of yours right with some real facts and and data from a place that people with a brain can trust.
sourmash MAR 15, 08:09 AM
Everybody has heard/read reported about auto fatalities and even a stabbing that were reported as covid deaths. Probably haven't heard it on ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN.

.gov lies. Faucci flip flops, our secutranny of Health is not really a female. It's a man with surgical operation.
maryjane MAR 15, 08:58 AM

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Originally posted by Lambo nut:


Prove any of yours right with some real facts and and data from a place that people with a brain can trust.




The NHTSA auto accident fatality numbers are not complete for 2020 but nationwide, there were 16,988 traffic fatalities in 2019 out of 228,680,000 licensed drivers in the same year. The preliminary numbers for 2020 traffic fatalities stand at 42,060.
https://www.usatoday.com/st...ing-less/4590942001/
The nonprofit National Safety Council estimates in a report issued Thursday that 42,060 people died in vehicle crashes in 2020, an 8% increase over 2019 and the first jump in four years.
USA currently has 1,646 C0vid deaths/1 million inhabitants.
USA population is 332,362,663 people.
This includes non-US citizens:

US census population clock today shows about 330,425,184.
https://www.census.gov/popclock/
There were in 2020, 209,128,094 Americans over the age of 18. (driving age)
https://www.infoplease.com/...mographic-statistics

As of Dec 31, 2020, there were 360,414 Covid19 deaths in the USA.

John Hopkins shows a slightly different number.
maryjane MAR 15, 09:08 AM

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Originally posted by sourmash:

Everybody has heard/read reported about auto fatalities and even a stabbing that were reported as covid deaths. Probably haven't heard it on ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN.

.gov lies. Faucci flip flops, our secutranny of Health is not really a female. It's a man with surgical operation.


We've also all heard that people that were abducted by aliens for anal probe purposes, that cattle are being killed and gutted by intruders from outer space, that the moon landing was faked, that the con trails in the sky contain chemicals the govt is spraying for mind control purposes, that the new vaccines alter dna and contain injectable chips for tracking us, that the government is run by shapeshifting lizard people, that we woulkd run out of oil in the 60s (then 70s, 80s etc) that we would all have flyin cars by the 21st century, that nuclear power would be "too cheap to even meter" and a whole host of other things. (the nuclear power thing could have come true if not for eco nuts)
None of it on ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and certainly not proven.
Lambo nut MAR 15, 09:24 AM

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Originally posted by sourmash:

Everybody has heard/read reported about auto fatalities and even a stabbing that were reported as covid deaths. Probably haven't heard it on ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN.

.gov lies. Faucci flip flops, our secutranny of Health is not really a female. It's a man with surgical operation.



This is true, but some just don't get it.
Hell, even cases of people with heart disease for a while suddenly has a heart attack or any other terminal problem. Tested for covid and passed off as a covid death. But, but, but, they wouldn't have died if they didn't get covid. Well they wouldn't have died if they only got covid and didn't have the previous condition. Give me a fn break.

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Lambo nut MAR 15, 09:25 AM

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Originally posted by maryjane:

We've also all heard that people that were abducted by aliens for anal probe purposes, that cattle are being killed and gutted by intruders from outer space, that the moon landing was faked, that the con trails in the sky contain chemicals the govt is spraying for mind control purposes, that the new vaccines alter dna and contain injectable chips for tracking us, that the government is run by shapeshifting lizard people, that we woulkd run out of oil in the 60s (then 70s, 80s etc) that we would all have flyin cars by the 21st century, that nuclear power would be "too cheap to even meter" and a whole host of other things. (the nuclear power thing could have come true if not for eco nuts)
None of it on ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and certainly not proven.




Nice try
sourmash MAR 15, 09:39 AM

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Originally posted by maryjane:

We've also all heard that people that were abducted by aliens for anal probe purposes, that cattle are being killed and gutted by intruders from outer space, that the moon landing was faked, that the con trails in the sky contain chemicals the govt is spraying for mind control purposes, that the new vaccines alter dna and contain injectable chips for tracking us, that the government is run by shapeshifting lizard people, that we woulkd run out of oil in the 60s (then 70s, 80s etc) that we would all have flyin cars by the 21st century, that nuclear power would be "too cheap to even meter" and a whole host of other things. (the nuclear power thing could have come true if not for eco nuts)
None of it on ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and certainly not proven.



Anally probed alien abductees are real. We see them pushing covid19 bogieman bunk on Pennocks O/T forum.

Flying cars exist already. They just aren't allowed on public streets. Super cheap nuke power isn't permitted, but is obviously totally practical.

Covid19 is a means to an end. Control over people. The phony attributed deaths are commonly found. This is just like when you said people don't die from the RNA treatment. You're still just as wrong now.

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82-T/A [At Work] MAR 15, 03:21 PM

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Originally posted by maryjane:

I've asked before, how many that is and received no answer. I'll ask again and provide you with some data with which to extrapolate the answer, since I assume you have the covid attributed auto fatalities at your disposal.

Please, feel free to prove this wrong with some real facts and data.



I have in fact given you numbers. It's not something I spend my time thinking about until or if I get on here. About ~3 months ago, I did a whole bunch of math that calculated KNOWN false-positive rates from well respected Federal and medical organizations, and compared that with the number of people who were being listed as death "INVOLVING" COVID. The number came out to something conservatively to around 15-20%, if I remember correctly. I'm not going to waste a full hour of my time searching all the posts I made to contradict you when you've already 100% made up your mind and even Jesus Christ himself wouldn't be able to convince you otherwise. Your response at the time was effectively that while you recognized there was likely some variance in the viability of the Federal government's numbers... we can never know for sure. Ok... that was a reasonable response. Your responses here and now are definitely not that.

No one denies we were in a pandemic, no one denies that hundreds of thousands of people have died... but there are dozens of factors that directly lead to a POSITIVE for many by inflating these numbers for politicians, Federal organizations, etc... coupled with false positives. Yes, politicians DO lie. Yes, Federal organizations are corrupt. Yes, people do manipulate numbers for their own benefit. Yes, people ARE dying.



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Originally posted by maryjane:

We've also all heard that people that were abducted by aliens for anal probe purposes, that cattle are being killed and gutted by intruders from outer space, that the moon landing was faked, that the con trails in the sky contain chemicals the govt is spraying for mind control purposes, that the new vaccines alter dna and contain injectable chips for tracking us, that the government is run by shapeshifting lizard people, that we woulkd run out of oil in the 60s (then 70s, 80s etc) ...




Why do you do this ridiculous stuff? Every time someone challenges you, you immediately go to a completely outrageous straw-man argument. You're literally comparing people who are questioning the Government's COVID numbers with people who say that others are being abducted by aliens to be anal probed... etc. This is completely ridiculous. You do this because you want to effectively conflate something completely ridiculous, with an otherwise totally legitimate criticism of the Government.

The Government ALWAYS lies about things if / when it leads to the benefit of the current administration to do so. When the economy is really bad, and it points directly to someone who's in charge, the Federal government fudges those numbers by giving really bad estimates, and in some cases actually changing the metric by which these numbers are determined. Three times in the past 20 years the Federal government has "updated" the means by which the unemployment number is calculated. The most recently under Obama was to no longer include people who are on full-time welfare... which is absurd, because if you're on welfare (not disability), you're unemployed in my book.

The government is right now lying (and in most cases, withholding) about the number of people coming across, and the numbers we are getting are coming from the state governments. When you do this, you lose respect as a critical thinker... at least from me, if you even care... and maybe you don't care, and that's totally OK. But what is obvious is that this is the usual diversionary tactic to "discredit" the discussion of the other person. This only means to me that this is an emotional topic for you... perhaps because you yourself are concerned since you and your wife might be in the age group who is more at risk. I understand and appreciate that... but this isn't how you discuss logic.