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Town Hall Meetings What's your choice? (Page 6/9)

olejoedad

OCT 16, 06:17 PM

Just read this ...

Thought it worth sharing.

"I am not voting for a man. I am voting for the principles for which this country has stood since its founding. I am voting for Constitutional government. I am voting for a strong and viable military. I am voting for a vibrant economy. I am voting for the right to keep and bear arms. I am voting for the freedom to worship. I am voting for a national recognition of the founding of our nation on Biblical principles. I am voting for the ability for anyone to rise above their circumstances and become successful. I am voting for my children and grandchildren to be able to choose their own path in life, including how and where their children are educated. I am voting for our borders to be open to everyone who enters under our law and closed to everyone who would circumvent or ignore the law. I am voting for the Electoral College to remain in place, so that a few heavily populated liberal centers do not control the elections. I am voting for a Supreme Court that interprets the Constitution rather than rewrites it. I am voting to teach history, with all its warts, not erase it or revise it. I am voting for the sanctity of life from conception to birth and after. Let us all Make America Great Again."

cliffw

OCT 16, 06:47 PM

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Originally posted by williegoat:
It was not a "Town Hall", it was a debate; and the poor little girl was way outgunned.
Trump was attacked by Savannah Guthrie from the start, but she debates like a few members on here.

While you are whining about Savannah Guthrie, let me whine about George Stephanopoulos. He asked Hiden' Biden ..., well I should preference it with what George did not include in the question.

Boy George did not say, "As a Monday morning quarterback, how would you have responded to the Covid crisis" ?

President Trump was pressed on his handling of the pandemic amid rising coronavirus cases during a contentious town hall on Thursday, while Democratic nominee Joe Biden was asked what he would do differently.

Rickady88GT

OCT 16, 07:02 PM

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Originally posted by Synthesis:

I will be watching neither. My ballot was cast today, delivered directly to the local town hall secure ballot box by my wife.

I do this every year

rbell2915

OCT 16, 07:07 PM

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Originally posted by Synthesis:

What statute? The number of Supreme Court Justices has always been fluid and can be changed by Congress. Is it packing if the existing system is used to adjust the number to better reflect modern society's needs?

Dude, the literal American Emperor Until Death, FDR, couldn't pack the SCOTUS when his party dominated the House and Senate. He had to wait, appoint and replace Justices like everyone else.

82-T/A [At Work]

OCT 16, 07:16 PM

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Originally posted by Synthesis:

Interesting. I just saw an argument here on the forum that the court has leaned right for a while. Which is it? Left or right?

The statement was that the court leans right already, and if rights for LGBTQ haven't been taken away yet, ACB wouldn't make it any worse...

No, I don't think "Conservative" judges ever will inhibit gay rights. Matter of fact, the point in time with the single greatest number of anti-gay legislation ever passed was during the 2008 election. Even California had banned gay rights, which the state arbitrarily overturned (even though it was against their constitution to do so). Incidentally, the "conservative" court ruled in favor of gay rights, striking down a Democrat-passed anti-gay law, Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA).

"Conservative" judges believe in Federalism, and adherence to constitutional law. That is... not manipulation of or "interpretation" of, but taking it literally. They do not legislate from the bench, but in fact validate whether or not a law is constitutional. It is for that reason why the conservative court under Obama did not ultimately overturn the ACA. They said... "It is not our job to save you from yourselves, but to validate a law's constitutionality."

Respectfully... I've kind of wanted to have a conversation with you... but I'm getting the impression that you're fairly worked up and not really willing to listen or have a conversation. I respect your views, but I largely disagree with them. I think if we were to look at actual facts, and not politics or fake scandals... you and I would probably agree on most things and I think you'd see things differently. Your mind is already made up that Trump is the anti-christ, and I don't think anyone here can (or should even try) to change your mind.

Rickady88GT

OCT 16, 07:22 PM

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Realistically all that is needed is an odd number, 3 will do. No such thing as additional justices for the purposes of modernization. At this point additional justices is purely a political move and an abuse of the system. The sole purpose (given the totality of circumstances) is to nominate justices who judge with a slant towards one side or the other. Judges are supposed to determine if a case meets the Constitutional guidelines NOT a party line.

LitebulbwithaFiero

OCT 16, 07:23 PM

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I can't keep up with this thread right now, but I can answer this.

The Judiciary Act of 1869 was the last time the number of justices was changed, to the current 9.

Rickady88GT

OCT 16, 07:32 PM

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Originally posted by LitebulbwithaFiero:

I can't keep up with this thread right now, but I can answer this.

The Judiciary Act of 1869 was the last time the number of justices was changed, to the current 9.

True, it is also true that the President can let the number dwindle down. By the letter of the law, a nomination is not mandatory. It is tho, VERY politically convenient to try to get justices that will most likely rule in favor of politics rather than law.
BTW, Amy is exactly the right person for this job. AND the judges that Trump nominated have each ruled against Trump on a couple of cases. So it isn't as if Trump is polluting the court with cronies. The evidence speaks for itself.

Synthesis

OCT 16, 07:43 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

Your mind is already made up that Trump is the anti-christ, and I don't think anyone here can (or should even try) to change your mind.

I don't think he is the anti-Christ, I think he is incompetent to the point of willfully and deliberately harmful and negligent. He is in it for himself and only himself, and he has master(s) that he is beholden to because of his debt. He is without character, charm, has abhorrent behavior, unfaithful, yet calls forth the support of the evangelical community who is willing to look past all of his indiscretions if it means they can get their theocratic ideals passed. THAT'S the problem I have with him, and with the people who support him. They are willing to look at him as a legitimate option because it gets their ideals through, even to the detriment of the country and its citizens.

My youngest sister is black, gay, and "unequal" because of those ideals. I have a real problem with people who support Trump and everything about him, and then can tell me that my sister matters as a person, while at the same time denigrating the ideal of what "Black Lives Matter" as a statement (not a movement) in the same breath to my face. There are a LOT of things wrong with this country, and Trump isn't the cancer. He's a symptom of the cancer.

I'd rather get along with everyone here, but I have finally hit my breaking point... I have always avoided politics, but I can no longer stay silent. Am I worked up? Yes. I am physically having trouble catching my breath right here and now as I type this because I do not know how to get people to look past their mother****ing nose and give me even one remote iota of serious consideration as to my thoughts on this, so instead I yell about how everyone who supports Trump is supporting the worst of humanity... And the facts back that up, regardless of whether I can learn to keep my emotion out of it. He is a fraud, a cheat, a misogynist, a racist, a liar, a horrible person overall.

I'm done. Vote for whoever you are going to vote for... It's on your conscience and your judgement in whatever afterlife you believe in.

Rickady88GT

OCT 16, 07:51 PM

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Originally posted by Synthesis:

I don't think he is the anti-Christ, I think he is incompetent to the point of willfully and deliberately harmful and negligent. He is in it for himself and only himself, and he has master(s) that he is beholden to because of his debt. He is without character, charm, has abhorrent behavior, unfaithful, yet calls forth the support of the evangelical community who is willing to look past all of his indiscretions if it means they can get their theocratic ideals passed. THAT'S the problem I have with him, and with the people who support him. They are willing to look at him as a legitimate option because it gets their ideals through, even to the detriment of the country and its citizens.

My youngest sister is black, gay, and "unequal" because of those ideals. I have a real problem with people who support Trump and everything about him, and then can tell me that my sister matters as a person, while at the same time denigrating the ideal of what "Black Lives Matter" as a statement (not a movement) in the same breath to my face. There are a LOT of things wrong with this country, and Trump isn't the cancer. He's a symptom of the cancer.

I'd rather get along with everyone here, but I have finally hit my breaking point... I have always avoided politics, but I can no longer stay silent. Am I worked up? Yes. I am physically having trouble catching my breath right here and now as I type this because I do not know how to get people to look past their mother****ing nose and give me even one remote iota of serious consideration as to my thoughts on this, so instead I yell about how everyone who supports Trump is supporting the worst of humanity... And the facts back that up, regardless of whether I can learn to keep my emotion out of it. He is a fraud, a cheat, a misogynist, a racist, a liar, a horrible person overall.

I'm done. Vote for whoever you are going to vote for... It's on your conscience and your judgement in whatever afterlife you believe in.

It's all good man. Not worth getting worked up