The evidence against anthropogenic global warming (Page 590/600)
avengador1 JAN 19, 09:05 PM
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newf JAN 20, 07:15 AM

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Originally posted by Hudini:

You are virtue signaling, that's all. I'd bet money you and everyone of the alarmists live the very same way you have always lived. You talk the talk, but do you walk the walk? Have you done your part to reduce your carbon footprint or are you just throwing stones in your glass house?



Reduce, definitely. Am I doing enough? Probably not. There's always work to be done and it's a balance when it comes to cost vs benefit at a personal level but we all know it doesn't change the science and that policy changes from Governments are the key to change in this regard.

I believe China are working towards change as they see the effects of man made pollution aren't they?

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Hudini JAN 20, 07:30 AM

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Originally posted by newf:


Reduce, definitely. Am I doing enough? Probably not. There's always work to be done and it's a balance when it comes to cost vs benefit at a personal level but we all know it doesn't change the science and that policy changes from Governments are the key to change in this regard.

I believe China are working towards change as they see the effects of man made pollution aren't they?




Word of hard earned advice. Do not believe anything China says. Anyone who says "China is cheating" or "China isn't playing fair" does not understand the game China plays. And that game is very simple. China must win at all costs. They are very good at wordplay too. Usually it's not what they say so much as what they do not say. If they say they will reduce carbon emissions by 40% in 5 years the world cheers. However, what they don't say is that their numbers are inflated by 50% so you are not actually getting a decrease. This is OK because China must win. At all costs. It's a very simple game that the "one world government" types do not understand.

Me, I'm here to make money. When my contract is up or I hit 60 then I'm out of here as fast as my feet can carry me. My allegiance, as always, is to my family and to the USA.
avengador1 JAN 20, 09:36 PM
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rinselberg JAN 29, 04:19 PM

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Originally posted by Hudini:
Word of hard earned advice. Do not believe anything China says. Anyone who says "China is cheating" or "China isn't playing fair" does not understand the game China plays. And that game is very simple. China must win at all costs. They are very good at wordplay too. Usually it's not what they say so much as what they do not say.

If they say they will reduce carbon emissions by 40% in 5 years the world cheers. However, what they don't say is that their numbers are inflated by 50% so you are not actually getting a decrease. This is OK because China must win. At all costs. It's a very simple game that the "one world government" types do not understand.

Me, I'm here to make money. When my contract is up or I hit 60 then I'm out of here as fast as my feet can carry me. My allegiance, as always, is to my family and to the USA.


I can't speak to cheating tactics that the PRC (People's Republic of China) could have up their sleeve(s), such as deceptively inflating their recent and current emissions rates. But the U.S. already has some capabilities to monitor the PRC with satellites that can track CO2 and other greenhouse gases and air pollutants all the way back to the specific cities or districts or point sources (in some cases) within the PRC that are the source of the particular kinds of emissions.

I don't want to be Mr Online Researcher about this--not at this moment--but I have to believe there are plans already in the pipeline (not the Keystone pipeline) for NASA to keep on keeping on with more and better satellites of this kind.

Of course, now that we have a new President, who knows... but I don't think that the new "powers that be" in the United States will be able to realize a "180" that completely erases all of the ideas and plans that emerged during the eight preceding years under President Obama.

These are the satellites that I was just talking about, at the very top here. Brief reports on the official NASA website.

"New, Space-Based View of Human-Made Carbon Dioxide"
https://www.nasa.gov/featur...-made-carbon-dioxide

"New NASA Satellite Maps Show Human Fingerprint on Global Air Quality"
https://www.nasa.gov/press-...n-global-air-quality
jmclemore JAN 29, 07:20 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

I can't speak to cheating tactics that the PRC (People's Republic of China) could have up their sleeve(s), such as deceptively inflating their recent and current emissions rates. But the U.S. already has some capabilities to monitor the PRC with satellites that can track CO2 and other greenhouse gases and air pollutants all the way back to the specific cities or districts or point sources (in some cases) within the PRC that are the source of the particular kinds of emissions.

I don't want to be Mr Online Researcher about this--not at this moment--but I have to believe there are plans already in the pipeline (not the Keystone pipeline) for NASA to keep on keeping on with more and better satellites of this kind.

Of course, now that we have a new President, who knows... but I don't think that the new "powers that be" in the United States will be able to realize a "180" that completely erases all of the ideas and plans that emerged during the eight preceding years under President Obama.




Recently, I heard a point of view that I had not considered before.
It was noted that many oil producing nations have lower emission
and pollution standards compared to the United State and other
Western Nations. Likewise , countries like China, who have seen
an explosion in industrial development also have lower standards
than The US and other Western Nations. (this much I already believed)

The argument he was making, proposed that The US and other Western
Nations should cut off trade (especially imports) from countries that do
not use the same standards (or higher) as we do.

Well, If it is true that
- other countries are not protecting the environment at our level
- companies are moving production to those countries to avoid regulations
- we are importing their products because they are cheaper

It sounds like the only remedy is to stop funding the pollution of other
countries by making it here where the standards are higher.
Hudini JAN 30, 07:21 AM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

I can't speak to cheating tactics that the PRC (People's Republic of China) could have up their sleeve(s), such as deceptively inflating their recent and current emissions rates. But the U.S. already has some capabilities to monitor the PRC with satellites that can track CO2 and other greenhouse gases and air pollutants all the way back to the specific cities or districts or point sources (in some cases) within the PRC that are the source of the particular kinds of emissions.

I don't want to be Mr Online Researcher about this--not at this moment--but I have to believe there are plans already in the pipeline (not the Keystone pipeline) for NASA to keep on keeping on with more and better satellites of this kind.

Of course, now that we have a new President, who knows... but I don't think that the new "powers that be" in the United States will be able to realize a "180" that completely erases all of the ideas and plans that emerged during the eight preceding years under President Obama.

These are the satellites that I was just talking about, at the very top here. Brief reports on the official NASA website.

"New, Space-Based View of Human-Made Carbon Dioxide"
https://www.nasa.gov/featur...-made-carbon-dioxide

"New NASA Satellite Maps Show Human Fingerprint on Global Air Quality"
https://www.nasa.gov/press-...n-global-air-quality




They have this covered already. Are you familiar with the air pollution monitoring stations in China? Well the US Embassy has one at each consulate. Amazingly, each embassy has readings that are higher than the PRCs official readings. Every single one. When questioned about it the official line is to attack the US for inaccurate numbers, or how a single source is not enough data to accurately reflect the truth, and on and on. The truth is that the numbers published by each country represent different data. The US uses international standards and China has their own. My point being that no matter what we say the Chinese will publish numbers favorable to China. They must win. At all costs.

Is there anyone here who does not understand this or doesn't believe it?
E.Furgal JAN 30, 07:44 AM
The best part is when the ital. super volcano goes boom.. Newf will freeze


Facts lost on climate change greenies.
1) we are at the end of the last ice age, the poles melting is natural.. The same science that say's it's man made also says these area were hot steamy jungles before the ice age.. you know when there was no industry and human input on the climate.
2) the earth does not spin like a top , yes it is more stable than say mars, but it does tilt off axis and does this slowly and is to us a long term thing, in the eyes of the universe it's a short term thing..

What they don't tell you.. is why they are not trusted.. many believe what they are fed as they can't put one and one together.. Science doesn't even have to try to hide it. because most can't put a puzzle together.
avengador1 FEB 03, 09:13 PM
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newf FEB 03, 11:32 PM

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Originally posted by Hudini:
They have this covered already. Are you familiar with the air pollution monitoring stations in China? Well the US Embassy has one at each consulate. Amazingly, each embassy has readings that are higher than the PRCs official readings. Every single one.



I'm sure you have the data to back that statement up.....right?