The first 2020 'official' election prediction thread..... (Page 59/76)
sourmash JAN 01, 05:01 PM
Nobody can be taken seriously about election security unless they first speak about the nation that interferes and coerces politicians relentlessly before, during and after every single election. Israel.
Hudini JAN 01, 08:48 PM

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Originally posted by sourmash:

Nobody can be taken seriously about election security unless they first speak about the nation that interferes and coerces politicians relentlessly before, during and after every single election. Israel.



Well lets hear it. Links, quotes, pictures?
sourmash JAN 01, 09:58 PM
Anyone who had any interest about the subject would look into it for themselves. It's a civic duty. Read the Times of Israel and the Jerusalem Post. Not doing our own homework is why we're where we are at. People like taking the bait that the media offers instead of doing a little searching.

AIPAC. Foreign lobbiests that don't have to register as foreign lobbiests even though they're lobbiests for a foreign nation. Yeah, I know some apologists will try to refute that on a technical ruling, but they're a foreign lobbying group. It's why Sarah Palin said the only flag in her office is the Israeli flag.

The elite changed the election contribution system to allow unreal amounts of money and influence from the richest people (corps identify as people so now they are) and look at the top 10 and 20 major campaign donors (like Sheldon Adelson) and what they want from people like Trump. They're buying influence on cabinet picks and advisors. Those advisors are the people telling him to move the embassy, which Iranian general to kill, to pull out of the nuke deal with Iran, etc. The advisors he's given are doing the steering.

It isn't China and Russia with the influence. Netanyahu can address the full Congress and they'll obediently give record numbers of standing ovations because sitting in the balcony are pro-Israeli staffers video-taping all of the Congress. Those tapes and responses determine how much AIPAC supports each congress person monetarily in their elections.

American citizens and dual citizens have flown Presidential candidates to Israel during election cycles to "legally" have campaign raising dinners. Yeah, that seems like a wholesome and great idea. The campaign donations get are legally credited coming from the Americans, but really now.

In the past 30 years, how much did Chinese and Russians contribute in comparison?
Are campaign dinners held in Russia and China?
How many of the top 10 and 20 campaign contributors have Chinese interests as their main interest?
cvxjet JAN 01, 10:43 PM
Sourmash, I actually agree with you on ANY govt having influence over our govt. I am not saying that they can't send representatives to make us aware of situations that we can help with- but actual election influence should be considered an act of war.....

And you do know that Netanyahu is best buds with Putin....
sourmash JAN 01, 10:56 PM
It's comforting to know that because it's adverse to what our media wants us to talk about. What I posted is really all I know about the topic and pretty much all of it comes from radio talk shows like Mike Rivero (who is part Jewish).

Not that I know anything about their relationship, but Putin and Netiyoohoo shouldn't be close with how Israel keeps bombing Russia's ally Syria and has even lead to Russian military deaths. Putin is a world statesman so he isn't going to cut off such a powerful person as Bibi.
sourmash JAN 01, 11:29 PM

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Originally posted by engine man:

PA reported 200 thousand more votes than voters and Joe won by 80 thousand votes but we are told no cheating in PA . i just wanted tp make it clear it was the GOP Legislatures of PA reported that on Fox news




https://www.investmentwatch...00-fraudulent-votes/

Here's a 12-31-2020 report about it, I'd say.
maryjane JAN 02, 05:22 AM
Votes cast vs voters that voted?

Rep. Russ Diamond, a Republican, is credited with making the discovery and going public with it. In a nutshell, he found that the total number of registered votes cast in Pennsylvania was more than 200,000 beyond the total number of people who actually voted.

Who did the 'excess' vote for?

Had all Pa counties uploaded and certified their vote history totals when Rep Diamond made his 'discovery?

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rinselberg JAN 02, 06:27 AM

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There were not more votes than voters in Pennsylvania

CLAIM: There were 205,000 more votes than voters in the 2020 election in Pennsylvania.

THE FACTS: A misleading claim about election results based on incomplete data is circulating widely on social media a week before Congress meets to reaffirm Joe Biden’s decisive presidential win. . . . However, these claims rely on incomplete data, according to Wanda Murren, communications director for the Pennsylvania Department of State, who called the lawmakers’ release “obvious misinformation.” . . .


Anyone could go online with this link (below) to fill in the dots where I have the ellipsis (. . .) notation.

Ali Swenson for AP; December 31, 2020.
https://apnews.com/article/...7df6b001196b2f90b123

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82-T/A [At Work] JAN 03, 02:57 PM

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Originally posted by cvxjet:

Well....I am surprised you have even HEARD of it since Fox an OAN hasn't even MENTIONED it......And you guys only listen to Russian-certified News outlets like FAUX and OAN. A number of my "Conservative" friends have been telling me how great Russia is, how great a leader Putin is, and how Russia is "The only Christian country in the world"...My Aunt (Retired Air Force) raved about how great Putin was- the only leader in the world BETTER than Trump....She also told me that Obama was a Communist/Foreign-born Muslim who completely wrecked the country.....There was something about the un-employment rate being at 80%......

You don't actually MIND Russia attacking our country, do you?




I don't understand why we continue to persist with the "Russia" nonsense.

I'm going to speak FACTS here, and I mean this in a polite and frank manner. We've dis-proven numerous times that there was any collusion between President Trump and Vladimir Putin. I mean, this has been proven over and over and over. Numerous investigations, a special council, even leaking of e-mails and his tax returns have shown no such collusion.


Let's go over some more facts. We know that Russia "preferred" Trump. This is because Trump is not a fan of NATO, or more correctly, not a fan of the United States paying for NATO. This was a PLUS for Russia for a couple of reasons... a unified NATO and EU is harder for Russia to enact its influence on individual European countries.

Reality is, Russia is a shadow of its former self. They have two air craft carriers, one burned down, the other was built in the 1970s. They have a pathetic military and could quite honestly be defeated by nearly half the countries of this world. Most of their nuclear arms could barely get off the ground at this point, and Russia chooses to focus on small technological advancements in areas where they can still have an impact... e.g. hyper-sonic missiles, cyber warfare, etc.

Russia is also not a fan of China. They are basically enemies as they've had a long standing disagreement on the "type" of Communism that should exist in the world. Russia has historically built numerous military bases along it's satellite countries to protect against an attempted Chinese invasion. That's not so much the case anymore because China and Russia have MOSTLY buried the hatchet, but they are still not "allies." And anything that goes against China, is good for Russia. Bottom line, Trump was anti-China, and against US tax-dollars going to NATO.

FOR THAT REASON ALONE, Russia pushed propaganda that (for the most part) looked to sway the election towards Trump. I don't know any Republicans or Conservatives that ACTUALLY like Russia, other than being nostalgic for the 1980s / Red Dawn / Ronald Reagan / Red Scare days. You admire your adversary... but I don't know anyone who is Conservative that likes Putin or think that the Russian way of life is a good thing. On the other hand, Russia... USSR and CCCP have historically ALWAYS been on the side of the Democrats simply because they view Socialism (which is about as close as you can get to Communism) as a good thing. So Russia has always found allies in Democrats. We have far more examples of actual collusion with Democrats and Russians than you do with Republicans. Bernie Sanders even honeymooned in Moscow and praised the Communist regime. He still feels this way.


ALTERNATELY... you have the entire Middle-East, and most of Asia (minus Japan and Russia) that is PRO-Democrat. Democrats... I should say the politicians and the extreme left (Sanders, AOC, etc.) are big fans of Socialism and believe the United States needs to be remade into a socialist-minded country. For this reason, Democrats find allies in China, and the Middle-East countries are pro-Democrat because Democrats are anti-oil which means they'll enact anti-oil policies which will reduce oil production in the US and improve oil prices in the middle-East.


I really wish we would get off Russia and focus on China... but I don't think China is really a concern of yours. Russia is, again, a shadow of its former self. They are a cyber threat, but beyond that the country is a joke. China is far more a threat than Russia in every single facet and category... yet my ultra-liberal friends and family seem enamored with China and support that government ideology... which is crazy.


We actually have proven that Hunter Biden has accepted money from China, and to that extent, probably a good 25% of our Congress (or more) is actively manipulated and influenced by China. We all know about Eric Swallwell, but even Mitch McConnell with his wife Ms Choa is a threat. No one seems to take this seriously, and Biden seems to believe that we should make amends with China (become complacent). You should question why.

Whether you want to root for the Democrats, or you believe the Republicans are your "home team." You all should REALLY be concerned with China and what they are doing. The goal of all these disinformation campaigns is to pit all of us against each other. This is working quite well... meanwhile all of our politicians are being actively infiltrated by China. We need to all... regardless of your views, take a serious stance against China.

My personal opinion, I think it's too late...

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82-T/A [At Work] JAN 03, 03:07 PM

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Originally posted by olejoedad:

You say a lot here, but no evidence.

1. Can’t find any links for this.




I've addressed this a few times before. Make your own opinion about why... but social media and even Microsoft and Google (though Google far worse than Microsoft) is actively blocking and eliminating anything that suggests voter fraud. Again... you can make up your mind as to why you think this is being done, but it is actually very much being done. As much as it might pain you, or make you sick... you need to start looking at websites that are not CNN, MSNBC, or the usual "circle jerk" of journalism. I encourage you to take a look at Epoch Times. Although some of their titles are a bit sensationalist (as are all news organizations), they tamper down anything that isn't confirmed and will not make claims unless they have actual proof. Lots of good information there.


Here's one I found that I haven't been able to confirm it's authenticity yet.