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pokeyfiero
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JAN 04, 06:05 PM
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Tony Kania
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JAN 04, 06:13 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by ray b:
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I will admit to NOT knowing enough. So much conflicting "evidence" out there. 
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newf
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JAN 04, 08:33 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by jmclemore:
No thanks
I tried 2 of those and found no experiment that demonstrates the claim.
That's not to say one does not exist deep in that haystack.
Tell you what,
It's your haystack and you claim there is a needle in there. Dive right on in there and pull it out for us.
I'll bet there is not one in there or you would have used it.
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Nice try but you are the one saying you don't believe that C02 is causing warming which flies in the face of the science, it's your needle in the haystack of good science and I suspect your needle doesn't exist. You keep saying how easy it is to disprove so have at it, be a hero.
Why not face the fact that you nor I am an expert in climate science and the science is pretty involved. Paring it down to simple experiments can be helpful in understanding the basics but it takes years of data and the expertise to interpret the data to come to a consensus about such issues. Much like pretty much every major recognized scientific organization in the world has regarding this issue.
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newf
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JAN 04, 08:37 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Tony Kania:
Roger's may be, but a quick search produces stats from NASA as of 2016. Easy to find. You know this.
Liberals are a moving target.  Always changing history.
Both Poles are gaining ice. It is a planet. Much bigger than you and I. Chill out, so to speak and have a beer. |
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They update their site pretty regularly.
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/
| quote | | Average Arctic sea ice extent for November set a record low, reflecting unusually high air temperatures, winds from the south, and a warm ocean. Since October, Arctic ice extent has been more than two standard deviations lower than the long-term average. Antarctic sea ice extent quickly declined in November, also setting a record low for the month and tracking more than two standard deviations below average during the entire month. For the globe as a whole, sea ice cover was exceptionally low. |
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If this was the only indicator maybe it would be more debateable.
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ray b
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JAN 06, 12:52 PM
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''SUNSPOTS VANISH, SPACE WEATHER CONTINUES: As 2017 begins, one thing is clear. Sunspots are vanishing. So far, the sunspot number has been zero almost every day: Jan. 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 6th. A close look at today's sun reveals no dark cores at all:
The increasingly-blank face of the sun is a herald of Solar Minimum. Sunspot numbers rise and fall with an ~11-year period, slowly oscillating between Solar Max and Solar Min. In 2017, the pendulum is swinging toward minimum.''
from http://www.spaceweather.com/
despite a weak cycle with very low sun spot counts
we are still gaining heat
why ?
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Question wonder and be wierd
are you kind?[This message has been edited by ray b (edited 01-06-2017).]
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Mickey_Moose
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JAN 06, 01:07 PM
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ray b
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JAN 06, 05:04 PM
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express co uk is about equal to the national enquirer here
BS moonbat loonietoons level reporting aka fake news
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jmclemore
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JAN 06, 08:17 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by newf:
you are the one saying you don't be96thlieve that C02 is causing warming which flies in the face of the science, it's your needle in the haystack of good science and I suspect your needle doesn't exist. You keep saying how easy it is to disprove so have at it, be a hero.
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You guys keep saying it's backed by science but the only evidence presented is someone else saying it's proven science. But where is the proven science. Thats what I keep asking about and it is not delivered.
Again the simplest question that scientist should be able to answer is
"Where is the observable absorption and emission of heat by co2."
Hell if it does it and it is proven , then showing it should not be an issue.
Throughout this long thread, co2 has been said to
Absorb ir heat
Emitted ir heat
Cause global atmospheric tempertures to rise
Cause ocean temperatures to rise
So why is it that you guys can only produce drawings, animations and commentary about the science instead of the science itself.
If that proof existed you would have found it and it would be rhe first fact you toss at doubters.
I don't have to accept an unproven claim.
"Where is the observable absorption and emission of heat by co2."
It's that simple. I don't buy things without seeing them for myself. If you do, thats your right to do so.
But lets not bs anyone here.
The proof just has not been shown.
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randye
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JAN 06, 08:37 PM
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rinselberg
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JAN 06, 08:41 PM
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I think you missed something.
| quote | The scientists used incredibly precise spectroscopic instruments operated by the Atmospheric Radiation Measurement (ARM) Climate Research Facility, a DOE Office of Science User Facility. These instruments, located at ARM research sites in Oklahoma and Alaska, measure thermal infrared energy that travels down through the atmosphere to the surface. They can detect the unique spectral signature of infrared energy from CO2.
Other instruments at the two locations detect the unique signatures of phenomena that can also emit infrared energy, such as clouds and water vapor. The combination of these measurements enabled the scientists to isolate the signals attributed solely to CO2.
“We measured radiation in the form of infrared energy. Then we controlled for other factors that would impact our measurements, such as a weather system moving through the area,” says Feldman.
The result is two time-series from two very different locations. Each series spans from 2000 to the end of 2010, and includes 3300 measurements from Alaska and 8300 measurements from Oklahoma obtained on a near-daily basis.
Both series showed the same trend: atmospheric CO2 emitted an increasing amount of infrared energy, to the tune of 0.2 Watts per square meter per decade. This increase is about ten percent of the trend from all sources of infrared energy such as clouds and water vapor.
Based on an analysis of data from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s CarbonTracker system, the scientists linked this upswing in CO2-attributed radiative forcing to fossil fuel emissions and fires. |
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That is an excerpt from a longer report.
"First Direct Observation of Carbon Dioxide’s Increasing Greenhouse Effect at the Earth’s Surface"
Berkeley Lab researchers link rising CO2 levels from fossil fuels to an upward trend in radiative forcing at two locations
http://newscenter.lbl.gov/2...use-effect-increase/[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 01-07-2017).]
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