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Notorio
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JAN 25, 12:22 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
Unbelievable ! Firefighters from around the country are detained while THEIR trucks are certified to be deemed safe by California standards. |
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Here's something even more unbelievable. During the 2003 Cedar Fire, we lived in Scripps Ranch, which had several hundred homes destroyed. I recall the neighborhood standing on the crest of a hill, watching the flames approach, cars loaded and ready to roll. At the last minute a wind shift sent the fire down a different canyon and a huge portion of the south side of the community was reduced to ashes. (Interestingly, during the many-year rebuilding process, we were amazed to see EVERY single rebuilt home was about twice the size of the original home! Think about that for a while ...)
Anyway, Miramar Naval Air Station (now a Marine air base), being across I15 from the conflagration, offered CalFire the use of their NINE water-dropping helicopters and crews, but were TURNED DOWN because the helicopters were not (you guessed it ...) California certified!! This little news story would never have seen the light of day except for the quick-thinking Commander at Miramar: incensed by the stupidity of the bureaucracy, he ordered the helicopters up to do water-dropping exercises on the BASE. Since the sky was filled with news helicopters, reporters (which we still had in those days) noticed the exercises and began inquiring why they weren't being used to help put out the fire! The Governor promised to fix that lack-of-cooperation problem, but in view of what just happened with the fire trucks, methinks the bureaucracy is alive and well.
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blackrams
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JAN 25, 12:34 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Notorio:
Here's something even more unbelievable. During the 2003 Cedar Fire, we lived in Scripps Ranch, which had several hundred homes destroyed. I recall the neighborhood standing on the crest of a hill, watching the flames approach, cars loaded and ready to roll. At the last minute a wind shift sent the fire down a different canyon and a huge portion of the south side of the community was reduced to ashes. (Interestingly, during the many-year rebuilding process, we were amazed to see EVERY single rebuilt home was about twice the size of the original home! Think about that for a while ...)
Anyway, Miramar Naval Air Station (now a Marine air base), being across I15 from the conflagration, offered CalFire the use of their NINE water-dropping helicopters and crews, but were TURNED DOWN because the helicopters were not (you guessed it ...) California certified!! This little news story would never have seen the light of day except for the quick-thinking Commander at Miramar: incensed by the stupidity of the bureaucracy, he ordered the helicopters up to do water-dropping exercises on the BASE. Since the sky was filled with news helicopters, reporters (which we still had in those days) noticed the exercises and began inquiring why they weren't being used to help put out the fire! The Governor promised to fix that lack-of-cooperation problem, but in view of what just happened with the fire trucks, methinks the bureaucracy is alive and well.
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While I am not shocked by this, it is unfortunately something that doesn't surprise me. It should take a wildfire of this magnitude for state leadership to recognize that with the forest in the back yard of communities, additional fire protection would be needed. Who the hell is in charge out there? Obviously, no one with any real common sense!
Rams[This message has been edited by blackrams (edited 01-25-2025).]
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JAN 25, 12:37 AM
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If the next four years don't go well for Trump, I think we will see President Newsom 2028. I'm NOT happy typing that. I'm just typing it out. Just like I'm typing out "Mayor of NY Andrew Cuomo"
ugh.
lets just hope my dumb fingers are dumb.
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blackrams
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JAN 25, 12:42 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by TheDigitalAlchemist:
If the next four years don't go well for Trump, I think we will see President Newsom 2028. I'm NOT happy typing that. I'm just typing it out. Just like I'm typing out "Mayor of NY Andrew Cuomo"
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I have no doubt Newsom will try to be the Democrats candidate but, all that's really necessary to knock him down is to show his record as California's leader. I can't imagine anyone failing as much as he has to get that far in a Presidential election.
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cliffw
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JAN 25, 10:07 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Notorio:
Miramar Naval Air Station (now a Marine air base), being across I15 from the conflagration, offered CalFire the use of their NINE water-dropping helicopters and crews, but were TURNED DOWN because the helicopters were not (you guessed it ...) California certified!! This little news story would never have seen the light of day except for the quick-thinking Commander at Miramar: incensed by the stupidity of the bureaucracy, he ordered the helicopters up to do water-dropping exercises on the BASE. Since the sky was filled with news helicopters, reporters (which we still had in those days) noticed the exercises and began inquiring why they weren't being used to help put out the fire! The Governor promised to fix that lack-of-cooperation problem, but in view of what just happened with the fire trucks, methinks the bureaucracy is alive and well.
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You are right. More unbelievable. Asinine.
I bear no bad vibes or thoughts of weakness to the Commander. If I were Commander I would have told my boys to do it anyway. What could the State Gestapos have done ? Shoot them down ? Sue them for using unauthorized air space ?
You bring up an interesting thought. Are the military's capabilities being used this time ?
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Notorio
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JAN 25, 08:06 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
I have no doubt Newsom will try to be the Democrats candidate but, all that's really necessary to knock him down is to show his record as California's leader. I can't imagine anyone failing as much as he has to get that far in a Presidential election.
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Yes, I agree that Newsome is going to go for 2028. Nancy Pelosi's machine will be behind him 100%, even though he is regrettably a White, Straight, Male  Pre-fire he was a shoo-in but now I think it would be another tight race.
Meanwhile, as sensible Californians are looking forward to his term-limiting out as Governor, methinks Kamala Harris will take his place. It's a step down from running for President again, but as the World's fifth largest economy, the prestige is still high. After two terms as Governor, she'd also be in a much stronger position to take the White House (gasp -- when will we roll back to the original title of the 'President's Palace' or even the 'Executive Mansion'?? I need to go find my emotional support animals ...)
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Notorio
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JAN 25, 08:09 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
You are right. More unbelievable. Asinine.
I bear no bad vibes or thoughts of weakness to the Commander. If I were Commander I would have told my boys to do it anyway. What could the State Gestapos have done ? Shoot them down ? Sue them for using unauthorized air space ?
You bring up an interesting thought. Are the military's capabilities being used this time ?
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Cliff, I honestly don't know if there is any better integration of military assets today or not. My guess is 'not.' This might be a job for ChatGPT (to review all the news coverage and see if there is any mention of National Guard, Navy, etc.) ...
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blackrams
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JAN 25, 09:10 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Notorio:
Yes, I agree that Newsome is going to go for 2028. Nancy Pelosi's machine will be behind him 100%, even though he is regrettably a White, Straight, Male Pre-fire he was a shoo-in but now I think it would be another tight race.
Meanwhile, as sensible Californians are looking forward to his term-limiting out as Governor, methinks Kamala Harris will take his place. It's a step down from running for President again, but as the World's fifth largest economy, the prestige is still high. After two terms as Governor, she'd also be in a much stronger position to take the White House (gasp -- when will we roll back to the original title of the 'President's Palace' or even the 'Executive Mansion'?? I need to go find my emotional support animals ...)
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While I don't doubt Newsom will attempt to be the Democratic nominee, he still has to get enough support from the rest of the nation to be that nominee. That may happen but, I don't believe (at this point) he has a snow balls chance in hell of beating J. D. Vance. Things could change but, the proof is in the pudding.
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cliffw
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JAN 26, 05:00 AM
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California residents becoming US Presidents ? All Republicans. Hoover, a Republican, Nixon, a Republican, Reagan, a Republican.
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cliffw
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JAN 27, 10:22 AM
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maryjane, I have been to your house in Cleveland TX just outside of N Houston. In the middle of a National forest. Thick with trees, Pine.
I can not picture how the forest floor can be cleared of dead tree fire fuel.
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Thinking..