JFK Assassination - more than one shooter? (Page 5/7)
Mickey_Moose SEP 20, 04:27 PM
There is also this theory, 'A tragic accident in the heat of the moment': new docudrama claims JFK was shot accidentally by a 'hungover' secret service agent:

https://www.independent.co....e-agent-8736705.html
Patrick SEP 20, 07:35 PM

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Originally posted by Mickey_Moose:

There is also this theory, 'A tragic accident in the heat of the moment': new docudrama claims JFK was shot accidentally by a 'hungover' secret service agent.



Wow, that's a new wrinkle.


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Originally posted by Raydar:

9/11... I was already 44. Old enough to be quite aware of how crappy the world could potentially be. But this was a whole 'nother level. I was sad (obviously), but angry at the same time.
The only thing I was certain of, was that the world would never be the same, going forward. I didn't know exactly what to expect. Nobody did.



I remember when I turned on the TV that morning that I just couldn't process what the hell was going on. Being on the west coast, everything had already happened by the time I started watching the news reports. Replays of planes crashing into the towers, and then the towers collapsing, were being played over and over. I wasn't 100% sure at the time what was live and what had been recorded. Seeing people hurling themselves from the burning towers, and then the towers themselves pancaking was without a doubt the worst thing I'd ever witnessed (on TV or otherwise) in my life. It was an absolutely horrible string of events which indeed has forever changed the world as we knew it.

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Valkrie9 SEP 24, 09:51 AM


A magic trick, sleight of hand, a diversion, and a convenient fall guy.
' It was him ! ' the decoy, he even denied it.

If you can be made to believe absurdities..
' Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. '
~ Voltaire

We are here today on the cusp of another world war, a catastrophic nuclear exchange, should the Russian military fail to retreat from Ukraine.
You can then anticipate that DC will be destroyed and St Petersburg minutes later, these are the first two civilian targets on the lists.
After that, it would be an automated series of launches, no more than clockwork, humans no longer pushing or flipping switches.

9.11 too was an inside job, the evidence as plain as day in the rubble, every construction steelworker on the planet looking at it, ' That's not true ! '

You have to ask yourself, ' Will Biden_Joe invite that atomic cataclysm upon the continental US ? '
The question then becomes, ' When has Biden_Joe ever lied to me, and do I trust him to be a rational man ? '

' I'm not upset that you lied to me, I'm upset that from now on I can't trust you. '

' Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people. '

' Unfortunately, in science what you ' believe ' is irrelevant. '

' We believe to be true what we prefer to be true. '

' For those who believe, no proof is required, for those who cannot believe, no proof is possible. '

' No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot. '

' There are two different types of people in the world, those who want to know, and those who want to believe. '

The Warren Report's contention of the single bullet is that absurdity, and that they found it.
The third fragmenting bullet blew a plum sized exit wound from the grassy knoll, instantly killing John Kennedy.
82-T/A [At Work] SEP 25, 08:42 AM

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Originally posted by maryjane:

I was born 24 days before the North Koreans crossed the 38th parallel in June of 1950. 5 years after Japan surrendered and WW2 ended.

My mother was very prim & proper 99% of the time. That other 1% was usually about the Japanese or Germans. I never heard her reference the Japanese other than "Japs' and almost always was preceded by the words 'Those Dirty as in 'Those dirty Japs! ....

I don't know to this day what my Dad thought the outcome of that conversation would be, but from that moment on, I knew I would become a US Marine. I forged his name on the enlistment parental permission form at 17 (got caught and had to wait till I was 18) . I still have that forged form, but also have my Dad's US Army discharge hanging by my own Marine discharge on the living room wall.





Hah! That's a pretty awesome story MJ. I'm sure your dad was kind of hoping you'd say... "Nah... not worth my trouble."

Loved this part, "...this mainstreet here won't be wide enough for anyone but you to walk down."


Hahah... and I know I shouldn't laugh... but this got me... "You'll have to ask him boy, but he never wants to be cold again."


Honestly, with a lot of those older cars you said you worked on... I honestly wish I'd had the opportunity to work on some of them. I know things were heavier, bigger, bulkier, but they were also a bit more simple. At least in comparison today. It probably didn't seem like it today, but a lot of those cars ... like the L8 engines, that was just raw power. So much torque from those straight-8 motors, and the balance was fantastic on those (or at least should be). I grew up in the 80s and 90s, and never had a carbureted car until I went out looking for one (VW Bus, my Olds Cutlass, etc.). Those Rochester QuadraJets I know are a bit more designed than some of the Rochester 4-Jets / Square-bores that they had back in the day, but like a mechanical watch, it's amazing how they're able to do all of that with so much simplicity and engineering. I realize a fuel injection system is also "engineering," but it's the difference (truly) between a mechanical engineer, and an electrical engineer in their design.
maryjane SEP 25, 10:03 AM
The straight 8s WERE very well balanced. Their perfection showed up in cruising. Rode with my Dad's friend in his Packard from East of Houston out to Luling and back one week. It was like you were just floating down the highway. (It was well before I-10 was finished and most of the time we were on state highways (73) and US 90)

Cars were simpler then, but also hard to work on because you actually repaired components. We rebuilt carbs, generators and starters, brake master and wheel cylinders; not just throw a new one in like they do today. And of course, setting valves thru those side covers on non-ohv engines wasn't much fun either. But, there were usually no AC compressors or emission crap in your way.

After I returned from overseas in '71, USMC was pushing everyone to 'continue their education. Among the courses I took, I went downtown to a week long class GMDelco put on in Memphis learning to overhaul quadrajets. Springs and jets and metering rods oh my!! Measure this, bend that........ but, the Holley 3160 three barrel wasn't much easier.

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Valkrie9 SEP 25, 01:59 PM


You will note, there is one unnamed, unidentified sniper firing from behind the fence above the grassy knoll.
One of two which fired the shots that caused the large exit wound on the left rear of John Kennedy's head, the final fragmenting explosive bullet.
Smaller faster bullet, perhaps.220-250 Remington, or .220 Swift, likely the smallest cartridges considered, single shot bolt action, varmint rifles, only one shot each.
.220 Swift
.220-250 Remington
.220-250 Ballistics minutia


' If you don't believe in conspiracies, you've never read a history book. '
~ G. Edward Griffin.

The jurors concluded that the CIA plotted the murder of President Kennedy
Mark Lane obituary May 17 '16
Executive Action '73

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ray b SEP 25, 05:56 PM
woodie's dad in a [ catch basin at street level ] with .223 single shot pistol called a fireball


do I win clue ?

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82-T/A [At Work] SEP 26, 07:13 AM

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Originally posted by maryjane:

The straight 8s WERE very well balanced. Their perfection showed up in cruising. Rode with my Dad's friend in his Packard from East of Houston out to Luling and back one week. It was like you were just floating down the highway. (It was well before I-10 was finished and most of the time we were on state highways (73) and US 90)

Cars were simpler then, but also hard to work on because you actually repaired components. We rebuilt carbs, generators and starters, brake master and wheel cylinders; not just throw a new one in like they do today. And of course, setting valves thru those side covers on non-ohv engines wasn't much fun either. But, there were usually no AC compressors or emission crap in your way.

After I returned from overseas in '71, USMC was pushing everyone to 'continue their education. Among the courses I took, I went downtown to a week long class GMDelco put on in Memphis learning to overhaul quadrajets. Springs and jets and metering rods oh my!! Measure this, bend that........ but, the Holley 3160 three barrel wasn't much easier.



One of the things I think I miss from those days... is that every car company had their own engine. Even the smaller companies like Hyundai / Kia... they still all use the same engines. But back in the day, GM had a different motor company for each car company. Then they started moving to "corporate" motors. They STILL had specialized motors for a couple of companies... like the Cadillac Northstar Engine, or even the Oldsmobile 32v motor... but by the GM bankruptcy... there's just Chevy motors now. I say "remember" but obviously, having been born in the late 70s, there's only so much of that I remember because new cars were pretty underwhelming, even if they still looked cool... and I didn't much get into cars until the late 90s. But even around 1997-1998 when I started going to the junkyard every weekend. There were still a steady stream of mid-70s cars showing up in the U-Pull-It lot... and they all had big honkin' engines, each totally different. It really makes me sad some of the cars I've seen get crushed... Buick Wildcats... an insane number of Smokey & the Bandit Y99 TransAms. I mean, there was a couple of Porsche 928s in the yard every weekend (new ones), all crushed... no one ever touched the 5.0 Porsche V8s. Maseratis... Rolls Royces... you name it.

I started a separate web-page where i was taking pictures of junkyard cars... https://www.pontiacperforma.../other/junkyard.html
... but when I switched my website from a Windows-based environment, to a Linux-based environment... most of the images broke because the files are case sensitive... so only half the pictures show up. But if you did want to see any of them, you can click on them, and then just change the lower-case jpg to upper case JPG and it'll show up. I'll go back through and update the page... one day, but it just hasn't been a priority.


But yeah... I really enjoyed learning how to rebuild a carburetor... I did it, but honestly didn't really know what I was doing other than replacing parts. I did eventually learn how to adjust the air / fuel screws, and how to adjust the secondaries by bending the little bracket, etc. But I do miss true mechanical engineering...
maryjane SEP 26, 09:44 AM
I think it was the late 70s or early 80s when GM got into a stink when some Oldsmobile owners found out their engines were Chevy and not Olds.
I had a Pontiac Ventura that had a factory installed Buick 350 in it. Front mounted dist and an external oil pump. That same engine was used in some Jeep Gladiator and Wagoneers under the name Dauntless V8.
Valkrie9 SEP 26, 08:51 PM

Samuel Holland.
Listening to an eyewitness' testimony, determining his truthfulness, then, reading the Warren Report,
one would be perplexed to discover that they entirely disregarded the man's account.
To this day, the cover-up continues, Lee Oswald was an innocent man, ' he didn't shoot anyone. '
LBJ did it.


' Tell me, how does that make you feel, hmmmn ? '
A pretend shrink inquiring as to your mental state when the government lies to you, sucking on a pipe, ' Get the pipe in the picture ! Get the pipe in the picture ! '
Well, the investigators, detectives, the inquiring sleuths gathered the information, only to be ignored.
What you believe is true is irrelevant, now, ' Swallow this spoonful of pure botulism jam ! ', How do you like that, hmmmn ?
Jackie Kennedy
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Years from now, people won't care, scrambling over the rubble of a destroyed nation, seeking food and clean water.
Biden_Joe's lies the reason for the destruction, shirking his sworn duty, a fraud, an imbecile.
Escalation to nuke war, very soon.
fjb