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blackrams
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JAN 26, 02:44 PM
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MidEngineManiac
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JAN 26, 02:48 PM
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We will send the 7/16th....but damned if anybody is gettin their hands on our 10mm's !!!
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randye
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JAN 26, 07:49 PM
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Since this discussion has slipped over into tanks and armored warfare doctrine I'll just say for the record that I believe that the Leopard 2, (A5, A6 and A7) are superior to the M1 Abrams in many important respects and every bit it's equal in all others.
I'll also say that the Ukrainians, having blunted and stopped the Russian and Belorussian advances, have already proven that they DO NOT need an influx of tanks for defensive purposes. If anyone doubted the efficacy of anti-armor missiles on the modern battlefield, the Ukrainians have put those doubts to rest.
My view is that their intent is to mount offensive operations, especially in the Donbas and Crimea, to retake (and take) Russian held territory.
Just an old CAV tanker's $0.02 worth....
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blackrams
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JAN 26, 07:55 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by randye:
Since this discussion has slipped over into tanks and armored warfare doctrine I'll just say for the record that I believe that the Leopard 2, (A5, A6 and A7) are superior to the M1 Abrams in many important respects and every bit it's equal in all others.
I'll also say that the Ukrainians, having blunted and stopped the Russian and Belorussian advances, have already proven that they DO NOT need an influx of tanks for defensive purposes. If anyone doubted the efficacy of anti-armor missiles on the modern battlefield, the Ukrainians have put those doubts to rest.
My view is that their intent is to mount offensive operations, especially in the Donbas and Crimea, to retake (and take) Russian held territory.
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Not qualified to suggest anything about tanks but, I agree with your opinion on what the Ukrainians have planned to do with those tanks. Now, they are asking for F16s.
Personally speaking, I hope the Ukrainians stop at their former borders because it could get real ugly, real fast should they push into Mother Russia.
I won't be surprised to see Putin disappear.
Rams[This message has been edited by blackrams (edited 01-26-2023).]
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MidEngineManiac
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JAN 27, 12:13 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
I won't be surprised to see Putin disappear.
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I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of things disappear the way things are going. In a radioactive cloud.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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JAN 27, 08:06 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
Not qualified to suggest anything about tanks but, I agree with your opinion on what the Ukrainians have planned to do with those tanks. Now, they are asking for F16s.
Personally speaking, I hope the Ukrainians stop at their former borders because it could get real ugly, real fast should they push into Mother Russia.
I won't be surprised to see Putin disappear.
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That's an interesting thought... wouldn't surprise me. Do you think they might try to even take back Crimea and land beyond what was taken in 2022? Or do you mean even beyond that...
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maryjane
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JAN 27, 09:17 AM
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blackrams
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JAN 27, 10:50 AM
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That's pretty cool. Although, being honest I wonder if, Canada is really paying that or did Biden pull another swift one............. 
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blackrams
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JAN 27, 10:56 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
That's an interesting thought... wouldn't surprise me. Do you think they might try to even take back Crimea and land beyond what was taken in 2022? Or do you mean even beyond that... |
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Given the support, I have no doubt Ukraine will try to take back every acre that Putin/Russia now claims. Doing so will require Ukraine to strike logistics centers and bases/roads and bridges within Mother Russia itself but, should restrain from all out invasion in that would cause a retaliation of much greater consequences.
None of us want those greater consequences...........
Rams
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82-T/A [At Work]
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JAN 27, 02:19 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
Given the support, I have no doubt Ukraine will try to take back every acre that Putin/Russia now claims. Doing so will require Ukraine to strike logistics centers and bases/roads and bridges within Mother Russia itself but, should restrain from all out invasion in that would cause a retaliation of much greater consequences.
None of us want those greater consequences...........
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To be clear, I want Russia to lose. I have to make that clear or people will make assumptions.
But if I was Russia, I'd be pretty pissed at this point... and probably would have escalated it to the point where I'd probably be striking U.S. assets and threatening nuclear war more seriously.
But of course... if I was Putin, I'd never have joined the KGB, probably would have fled to the United States, and if I didn't... I'd denounce communism and open free trade to the world, etc... but that's just me.
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