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MidEngineManiac
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MAR 27, 12:20 PM
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theogre
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MAR 27, 03:22 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Lambo nut:
Masks don't work. |
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Does work But only when used right and right media for the job....
Then add Many "Masks" for CCP virus panic made nobody plus have problems in How they're Fit and How they're Used.
Just watch any local news "shows" or go to any store and see masks Falling off nose to entire face.
Many standard "dust masks" and others have metal nose piece and too stupid to bent them right. Masks w/o them are often useless too for same reason. Air simple bypass the media at huge leases at nose.
See Fools with Mask are Funny... 😕 from a year ago. http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum6/HTML/124789.html------------------
Dr. Ian Malcolm: Yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should.
(Jurassic Park)
The Ogre's Fiero Cave
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Lambo nut
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MAR 27, 04:36 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by theogre:
Does work But only when used right and right media for the job....
Then add Many "Masks" for CCP virus panic made nobody plus have problems in How they're Fit and How they're Used.
Just watch any local news "shows" or go to any store and see masks Falling off nose to entire face.
Many standard "dust masks" and others have metal nose piece and too stupid to bent them right. Masks w/o them are often useless too for same reason. Air simple bypass the media at huge leases at nose.
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Here you go. theogre saying they do work, then turns around and explains why they don't.[This message has been edited by Lambo nut (edited 03-27-2021).]
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blackrams
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MAR 27, 05:03 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Lambo nut:
Here you go. theogre saying they do work, then turns around and explains why they don't.
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Pretty sure he's saying that if the correct mask is worn properly, they work but, that's just me reading it.
Rams
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randye
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MAR 27, 08:27 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
Pretty sure he's saying that if the correct mask is worn properly, they work but, that's just me reading it.
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Define "correct mask".
Other than masks carrying the "N95" designation, there are NO industry, FDA, CDC or NIOSH regulations or controls on masks.
21 CFR 878.4040 specifically exempts surgical masks that are not claimed to be "N95" compliant.
Since this panic-demic began there are hundreds, if not thousands, of new manufacturers producing and marketing masks of all shapes, types and materials that are not tested, inspected or certified in any way, because it isn't required, so I'll ask again...
.....define "correct mask"
Just blurting out the slogan; "Masks work" does not make it so.[This message has been edited by randye (edited 03-27-2021).]
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Hudini
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MAR 27, 09:20 PM
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Agreed. You will hear the “masks work” but that’s only partially true. The correct N95 mask worn and used correctly works. Everything else is a guess.
 [This message has been edited by Hudini (edited 03-27-2021).]
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cliffw
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MAR 27, 09:23 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by randye:
Other than masks carrying the "N95" designation, there are NO industry, FDA, CDC or NIOSH regulations or controls on masks.
Since this panic-demic began there are hundreds, if not thousands, of new manufacturers producing and marketing masks of all shapes, types and materials that are not tested, inspected or certified in any way, because it isn't required, so I'll ask again...
.....define "correct mask"
Just blurting out the slogan; "Masks work" does not make it so.
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Not true. In my oil field years I was exposed to H2S, (hydrogen sulfide) gas and had to wear an OSHA approved masked, it had to be regularly maintained, all users had to be trained in their fitment, and a fitness test had to be conducted to be sure the user and the mask have a positive seal.
You are right though. The slogan does not make it so.[This message has been edited by cliffw (edited 03-27-2021).]
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randye
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MAR 27, 09:37 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
Not true. In my oil field years I was exposed to H2S, (hydrogen sulfide) gas and had to wear an OSHA approved masked, it had to be regularly maintained, all users had to be trained in their fitment, and a fitness test had to be conducted to be sure the user and the mask have a positive seal.
You are right though. The slogan does not make it so.
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NOT talking about PPE like gas masks.
Additionally, Title 21 CFR, (Code of Federal Regulations), that I specifically mentioned deals with FDA regulated and controlled medical devices, including the category of surgical apparel of which surgical masks are a part thereof.
OSHA has nothing to do with regulating medical devices.[This message has been edited by randye (edited 03-27-2021).]
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cliffw
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MAR 28, 07:44 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by randye:
NOT talking about PPE like gas masks.
Additionally, Title 21 CFR, (Code of Federal Regulations), that I specifically mentioned deals with FDA regulated and controlled medical devices, including the category of surgical apparel of which surgical masks are a part thereof.
OSHA has nothing to do with regulating medical devices.
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Ok, I will forget that masks of any kind (except costume masks) are PPE.
Your history I think is heavily medical. I can see where you would be familiar with Title 21 of the CFR. I am familiar with Title 30, CFR, § 250.490, Hydrogen sulfide. I know when mixing chemicals I had to wear a particulate mask. When painting I had to wear a respirator. H2S possible exposure requires a SCBA mask, Self Contained Breathing Apparatus. Not A SCUBA mask (underwater).
I also know that an employer has to provide all PPE required for work one might be exposed to in a hazardous work environment. I know they had to be OSHA approved, ie regulated.
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theogre
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MAR 28, 02:57 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
Pretty sure he's saying that if the correct mask is worn properly, they work but, that's just me reading it. |
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Correct.
| quote | Originally posted by randye:
OSHA has nothing to do with regulating medical devices. |
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| quote | Originally posted by randye:
Other than masks carrying the "N95" designation, there are NO industry, FDA, CDC or NIOSH regulations or controls on masks. |
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Wrong.
OSHA and Many Industries has Rules for Masks of all types for Decades on when used, how to fit, etc. When a Business requires Masks, have to Spend Money to Fit and Test people individually. If a Business fails to meet OSHA rules expect Big Fines and/or Lawsuits. This has been true way before the virus panic...
And While OSHA doesn't cover most "Medical Devices," many hospitals and other places are often require to meet OHSA mask fitting rules too as cliffw said...
| quote | | I also know that an employer has to provide all PPE required for work one might be exposed to in a hazardous work environment. I know they had to be OSHA approved, ie regulated. |
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If a Nurse etc uses any PPE, most have had Training Testing etc required by OHSA before allow to use whatever type. "Simple" Surgical Masks are often Not Universal fit and even when same mask is used by many, how each person use it is often different to make sure will fit that person correctly.
Since many won't read other thread... from http://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...HTML/124789.html#p39
(quote) Any Training/Info?
Try google osha mask training as a start tho maybe harder to find what you need w/ all of the bs now push by MSM and many others.
Examples:
https://www.osha.gov/video/...tion/fittesting.html
https://www.osha.gov/video/...on/construction.html
The Difference Between Respirators and Surgical Masks US Department of Labor @ YT
Respirator Safety on YT (/quote) (Not tagged quoted so links are easy to see/read.)
KN95 is not = to N95. N95 P100 and some others are approved by the US National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH). (FFP2 is equiv to N95 in other countries.) Many Imported N95 and other masks got and are still getting Stopping by US Customs because are Fakes. KN95 is a "China Standard" but Worse, KNxx marks are often Fakes even in China.
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