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Patrick
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JAN 18, 08:16 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
No, they won't.
What you are describing is NOT how politics works nor is it how it ever has worked in the real world, left, right, or independent.
Most of his base will stick with him come hell or high water, as you have seen.
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In defence of what I stated, I wasn't referring to reality-TV-show-watching riff-raff... such as whom we witnessed storming the Capitol a week and a half ago. I had mentioned "responsible" Republicans. Anyone who truly cares for the US of A, and not for Trump the showman, will wish to distance themselves. Obviously, that's just my opinion. YMMV
| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
As further information becomes available pertaining to the extent of Trump's total incompetence in office, more and more responsible Republicans will wish to wash their hands of him. It's already begun.
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Patrick
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JAN 18, 08:20 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
It appears we're not going to discuss the impact of killing this pipeline so, you guys have fun.
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And who's fault is that? It was your choice to send it off on a tangent.
| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
But, as I remember, you hated the guy that was for that pipeline. Hmmm
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maryjane
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JAN 18, 08:34 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
In defence of what I stated, I wasn't referring to reality-TV-show-watching riff-raff... such as whom we witnessed storming the Capitol a week and a half ago. I had mentioned "responsible" Republicans. Anyone who truly cares for the US of A*, and not for Trump the showman, will wish to distance themselves. Obviously, that's just my opinion. YMMV
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Patrick:
As further information becomes available pertaining to the extent of Trump's total incompetence in office, more and more responsible Republicans will wish to wash their hands of him. It's already begun.
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I doubt for his base out in the electorate, he has lost many supporters at all. Those in the political realm tho, (congress) have their future election careers to worry about and may project differently.
I was not speaking of reality show supporters either. Many of the people that were at the steps of congress last week were and probably still are very serious supporters of President Trump, as are many millions of Americans that stayed home.
*Anyone who truly cares for the US of A,
Perception is very important in politics Patrick.
Many, if not most conservatives today (Jan18) fervently believe President Trump is still the answer and Biden is at best, a senile old satan, intent upon converting the USA into a hog trough of socialism under the banner of progressiveness.
I just wish next election, the Lizardheads would just present themselves as they really are and get on their own ticket. Judging from all the conspiracy theories floating about, posted and re-posted/shared by what I had always thought were reasonable people (for the most part) I think America has evidently now reached the point they can handle the truth.
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blackrams
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JAN 18, 08:37 PM
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Actually, I believe you interjected an opinion first and you are correct, I replied.
I thought it was ironic that one who was so opposed to DJT and his policies would not appear to care about the loss of jobs in Canada and the effect canceling the pipeline would have on Canada.
What you fail to either remember or understand, I am not and have never been a Trumper or a Trump fan. I simply agreed with the direction he was trying to take this country. As I previously stated, this pipeline was good for both the USA and Canada. President (elect) Biden policies are going to cost the USA more than we can afford and now it appears he will cost Canada some also.
Try to get past your Trumper Hate and consider what the pipeline could have done for your own country.
Rams[This message has been edited by blackrams (edited 01-18-2021).]
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maryjane
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JAN 18, 08:44 PM
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Economically, the Keystone is important, but a LOT has changed since Keystone was first envisioned. One of the things (more so than solar or wind) that has decreased it's importance is the Texas/New Mexico Permian Basin, the EagleFord and other shale plays.
Opponents of the Canadian oil say (among other things) that we don't need it now that all the other big areas are producing so much.
There is 'some' validity to that, for now as there is a huge glut of crude on the world market, and even tho the US is no longer dependent on foreign oil, it should be kept in mind, that new exploration and development has slowed down considerably. A full belt with extras cans is always preferable to just a few rounds left.
It will cost many millions to abandon the Keystone. It's been partially completed for some time, the first section put into service approx 10 years ago and has been transporting oil. In 2019, according to CER, it produced 213M net income on 535M revenue.
There was a trust fund set up thru various regulatory agencies, to cover the cost of abandonment, de-construction at the end of it's useful life. The plan was to collect tolls for 25 years to fully fund the abandonment trust fund. Canada's CER estimated it would cost 268 million up to the ND, USA border. As of 2019, there was 64,300,000 in that trust fund.
It is possible that the USA portion of the line may be re-purposed to transort other products, but that won't be cheap or without the prospect of opposition.[This message has been edited by maryjane (edited 01-18-2021).]
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blackrams
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JAN 18, 08:59 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
Economically, the Keystone is important, but a LOT has changed since Keystone was first envisioned. One of the things (more so than solar or wind) that has decreased it's importance is the Texas/New Mexico Permian Basin, the EagleFord and other shale plays.
Opponents of the Canadian oil say (among other things) that we don't need it now that all the other big areas are producing so much.
There is 'some' validity to that, for now as there is a huge glut of crude on the world market, and even tho the US is no longer dependent on foreign oil, it should be kept in mind, that new exploration and development has slowed down considerably. A full belt with extras cans is always preferable to just a few rounds left. |
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Agreed.
Being prepared with a pipeline in place seems like a logical thing to do when we know it will be needed at some point in the future. It being there also offers all concerned options versus not having it.
That's not even considering the economic benefit to those building and supplying the pipeline. There will be government money spent, why not spend it putting people to work. To me, killing this project is dumb.
Rams[This message has been edited by blackrams (edited 01-18-2021).]
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maryjane
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JAN 18, 09:26 PM
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Most, of the Keystone pipeline is in place and operating. It runs from Canada to the Dakotas, As far as I've heard, the permit being pulled is not the operating permit for Keystone, but it is the construction permit for KeystoneXL which runs thru Montana, over and diagonally thru SD and Nebraska and joins up with the original Keystone. From there, it goes south to Oklahoma's big hub at Cushing.
I haven't read which parts of the line will be affected, tho I doubt the line from Cushing OK to the Tx coast will be.
On the lower end, part of this same Keystone (phase 3b) runs just a few miles from my house.
A more detailed map
https://upload.wikimedia.or...e-pipeline-route.svg[This message has been edited by maryjane (edited 01-18-2021).]
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cliffw
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JAN 18, 10:10 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by cvxjet:
You don't actually have to look at what is going on...
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It's evident you don't.
Your President, Donald J Trump, despite not promising it, achieved making us energy independent. Every recently Presidential candidate made those promises.
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rinselberg
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JAN 18, 10:27 PM
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If they did build the pipeline (extension) would the workers that monitor it for leaks or other malfunctions and for security purposes be called the "Keystone cops"..?
IMWTK.
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maryjane
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JAN 18, 11:31 PM
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Most major pipelines nowadays are monitored by computerized electronics and fiber optics or laser technology.
The days of driving or overflyng a line on a daily or weekly basis are all but gone.
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