Seal Team 6.. (Page 5/5)
sourmash NOV 03, 08:04 AM
Even wiki can't deny it.


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Nazism is a form of fascism,[2][3][4][5] with disdain for liberal democracy and the parliamentary system. It incorporates fervent antisemitism, anti-communism, scientific racism, and the use of eugenics into its creed. Its extreme nationalism originated in pan-Germanism and the ethno-nationalist Völkisch movement...



Of course extreme nationalism originated tens or hundreds of thousands of years prior, but you have to blame the defeated.

The Americans were appointed Supreme Command over the Allies, including our Allied communist Soviets in order to defeat nationalism.
Hudini NOV 03, 09:34 AM
Wiki is not a reliable source so don't even go there.

And for reference, I am sitting in Communist China typing this. Nationalism is very strong here so your argument doesn't hold water.
maryjane NOV 03, 09:49 AM

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Originally posted by Hudini:

Wiki is not a reliable source so don't even go there.

And for reference, I am sitting in Communist China typing this. Nationalism is very strong here so your argument doesn't hold water.


off topic, but is the US election much in the news there in Red China?
Hudini NOV 03, 09:58 AM
Oh yes. They are watching closely. Biden will not go after them for trade concessions like Trump. Biden is a globalist like Obama and it's back to business as usual.
sourmash NOV 03, 05:13 PM

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Originally posted by Hudini:

Wiki is not a reliable source so don't even go there.

And for reference, I am sitting in Communist China typing this. Nationalism is very strong here so your argument doesn't hold water.



Nobody said Wiki is a "source" so you're statement has no credibility. Wiki is a RESOURCE, not a source. The footnoted sources remain the sources. Pier reviewed sources that you don't get to discount.

The Chinese are ethno-nationalists the same as Israelis or others and Chinese are not communist any longer. When they were they were still ethnic nationalists just as many nations are/were. That has no bearing so you probably didn't understand what you were saying was an unrelated statement. State supported or not, ethnic nationalism does NOT preclude communism, mercantilism, corporatism, democracy, socialism, republics, etc..

Things don't stop existing because you don't understand them or are attempting to win a debate. Nationalism and Socialism when used together doesn't create a dissonance and everyone here understands their meanings individually. Used together in Germany they meant strict nationalism for the ethnic Germanic people in and of the country. It separates non Germanic people even if they were German residents/citizens. Antifa groups were created out of communism to overthrow nationalism just the same as here in the USA today. The Japanese are largely ethno-centric and ethno-nationalist. Their system is described as capitalistic so I guess that proves your statement made no sense.

The below image isn't a legitimate position. I'd recommend using a different one.
Perhaps you're thinking authoritarianism was a shared practice by the NSDAP and communists? Sure.

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Hudini NOV 03, 06:05 PM
Trying to convince people that the NAZIs were not socialists because they were nationalists is crazy talk. NAZIs and Communists use the same ideas and methods to control their populations and to run the economy. Simply because one uses only Germans and one uses anyone within their control is a distinction without a difference.
sourmash NOV 03, 06:41 PM

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Originally posted by Hudini:

Trying to convince people that the NAZIs were not socialists because they were nationalists is crazy talk. NAZIs and Communists use the same ideas and methods to control their populations and to run the economy. Simply because one uses only Germans and one uses anyone within their control is a distinction without a difference.



I stilI understand that you don't yet understand what this means, nationalism and socialism, and that socialism has ZERO to do with nationalism. Nothing. Zilch. Nil. The NAZIs were socialists. Absolutely socialists, that's my statement all along. And nowhere is my argument any different. Post a quote where it is?

Nazism: before you could be a full citizen of Germany you had to be an ethnic German (which is the absolute practice of nationalism), duh. Could you be a Romani citizen of Germany? No. A Jewish one? No. Slavic? No. Of course they made special exceptions for those they wanted to be considered German in part.

From the 25 Points.

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4; Only a member of the race can be a citizen. A member of the race can only be one who is of German blood, without consideration of creed. Consequently, no Jew can be a member of the race. (That's pure ethnic nationalism)

5. Whoever has no citizenship is to be able to live in Germany only as a guest, and must be under the authority of legislation for foreigners. (Pure nationalism)

6. The right to determine matters concerning administration and law belongs only to the citizen. (And only Germans are citizens) Therefore we demand that every public office, of any sort whatsoever, whether in the Reich, the county or municipality, be filled only by citizens. We combat the corrupting parliamentary economy, office-holding only according to party inclinations without consideration of character or abilities. (National socialism)

7. We demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens. If it is impossible to sustain the total population of the State, then the members of foreign nations (non-citizens) are to be expelled from the Reich. (National socialism)

9. All citizens must have equal rights and obligations.(Socialism)



And so on for the entire 25 points that make up their policy statements. Lots of socialism but only under nationalism

10. The first obligation of every citizen must be to work both spiritually and physically. The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all Consequently we demand:

11. Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of rent-slavery.

12. In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people. Therefore we demand the total confiscation of all war profits.

13. We demand the nationalization of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).

14. We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.

15. We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.

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