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RandomTask
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JUL 28, 08:16 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by randye:
It's always cute when Leftists tell people what they can and cannot discuss or debate.
Such attempts to control the narrative and frame the argument are always best ignored by rational people.
Reliable survivor accounts tell us that the ship's orchestra on the Titanic played on as the ship sank.
By your "reasoning" , we are justified in calling the sinking of the Titanic "musical".
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Ashli was killed on Jan 6 in the capitol during this [riot/insurrection/protest/whateveryouwanttocallit]. This isn't up for debate. This is a -fact-. Whine all you want, this doesn't change reality.
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randye
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JUL 28, 08:40 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by RandomTask:
Ashli was killed on Jan 6 in the capitol during this [riot/insurrection/protest/whateveryouwanttocallit]. This isn't up for debate. This is a -fact-. Whine all you want, this doesn't change reality. |
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I say she was AMBUSHED WITHOUT WARNING and NEEDLESSLY MURDERED by a COWARDLY, INCOMPETENT, DEMORAT, police officer with a documented history of mishandling his firearm who was hiding in a coat closet and popped out only to shoot Ashli Babbitt and then ran away.
The ONLY HOMICIDE that day was committed by the aforementioned COWARDLY, INCOMPETENT, DEMORAT.
That DOES NOT make any of the rioters that day "deadly" OR "insurrectionists"
This isn't up for debate. This is a -fact-. Whine all you want.
Only YOU LEFTISTS are trying, and failing, to change reality.[This message has been edited by randye (edited 07-29-2021).]
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Rickady88GT
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JUL 28, 08:41 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by randye:
I say that it was a MOSTLY PEACEFUL event because IT WAS.
A very small percentage of the people attending the rally that day have been arrested and charged with a crime.
That percentage of people arrested is likely MUCH smaller than what I have been posting because, although there is very good reason to believe that the crowd was significantly larger that day, the only "official" estimate of the crowd comes from the National Park Service that only records that they "permitted" a gathering of 30,000 people on the mall that day.
Even using that "diminutive" 30,000 number it is obvious that only a tiny fraction of people have been arrested and charged with any crime, ergo the MOSTLY PEACEFUL description is accurate and apt.
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You are absolutely correct.
Two things (or more) can be true at the same time. As I mentioned, millions of Trump supporters did not participate and only a VERY small % got stupid that day. (And I will add that those that participated in the Jan6 trespassing don't even mirror Trumps motive or intent) so yes I absolutely do agree that the protests on Jan6 were ABSOLUTELY mostly positive and peaceful.
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randye
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JUL 29, 12:10 AM
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As of today, NOBODY has been charged with Insurrection or sedition or even homicide as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021
As of today, NOBODY has been charged with Advocating overthrow of Government (18 U.S. Code § 2385) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021
As of today, NOBODY has been charged with Threatening government officials of the United States (under 18 U.S.C. § 871 or 18 U.S. Code § 351 or 18 U.S. Code § 115 or any local statute) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021
As of today only 535 individuals], (<1.7 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC have been charged with a crime.
As of today only 35 individuals, (<0.10 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC have been charged with "conspiracy".
As of today only 35 individuals, (6.5 %) out of the 535 people arrested as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021 have been charged with "conspiracy".
As of today only 3 individuals, (0.5 %) out of the 535 people arrested as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021 have pled guilty to "conspiracy".
As of today only 20 individuals, (3.7 %) out of the 535 people arrested as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021 have pled guilty to any charges
As of today only 20 individuals, (<0.06 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC have pled guilty to any charges
As of today only 17 individuals, (<0.05 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC alleged to be members of the "Oath Keepers" group have been charged with a crime.
As of today only 12 individuals, (<0.04 %) out of the >30,000 people attending the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC alleged to be members of the "Proud Boys" group have been charged with a crime.
As of today only 1 needless homicide happened at the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC and it was committed by a Demorat with a documented history of mishandling his firearm.
As of today 1 unopened LEGO toy has been seized by the Biden administration as "evidence of a conspiracy" related to the MOSTLY PEACEFUL January 6, 2021 rally in DC[This message has been edited by randye (edited 07-29-2021).]
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Rickady88GT
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JUL 29, 12:22 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by RandomTask:
We've established why they were there, they didn't accept the results of the election; ie "stop the steal".
So let's take your words, "deadly insurrection"
So you don't have to waste your time excusing all five deaths, we'll go with the easy one. Ashli Babbit is dead, ergo deadly. You can't argue that.
Only word left is "insurrection". . . from the meriam webster "an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government"
They were rebelling (ie revolting) against the lawfully establish government. They didn't want the election results certified, aka "stop the steal". When Pence did certify, they then called for his head. They did so forcibly, beating officers ruthlessly for their cause.
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Uhh, let's examine this for a second. Only one person was killed that day, and it was by a Capital Police Officer.
So no,......not "deadly" it was a mostly peaceful event that the Capital Police have to defend.
I challenge you to prove that more than one person was killed during the trespassing.[This message has been edited by Rickady88GT (edited 07-29-2021).]
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RandomTask
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JUL 29, 09:59 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Rickady88GT:
Uhh, let's examine this for a second. Only one person was killed that day, and it was by a Capital Police Officer.
So no,......not "deadly" it was a mostly peaceful event that the Capital Police have to defend.
I challenge you to prove that more than one person was killed during the trespassing.
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lolololololololol, "it wasn't deadly, it was only one person dead."
I've never seen such a blatant disconnect from reality. Imagine someone barging into a families home and killing one of the parents but leaving two kids and the other parent. I'd laugh myself to death seeing them argue at court. . . "Your honor, I only killed ONE of them so it wasn't deadly. . . I was mostly peaceful! I should only be charged with trespassing."
For the life of my, someone died during this protest, not even counting the other people that had medical issues, but Ashli died as a DIRECT result of being in the capitol attempting to gain entry to a secure area. . . She's literally dead and you're saying it wasn't deadly.
Officers also testified under oath that people were trying to strip their firearms from them and use them against them. I guess they're lying.
Everyone is lying except the one guy who has a history of constantly lying.
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rinselberg
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JUL 29, 11:40 AM
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DOJ "Direct"
This https link is a portal to Capitol Breach-related press releases from the U.S. Department of Justice.
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/capitol-violence#News
As of this moment, there have been 106 U.S. DOJ press releases related to the Jan. 6 Capitol Breach.
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Rickady88GT
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JUL 29, 11:52 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by RandomTask:
lolololololololol, "it wasn't deadly, it was only one person dead."
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Ok, let's examine this one to. BUT may I first point out that you provided no proof that 5 people were killed. I won't call you a liar, I simply think your sources are to blame.
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I've never seen such a blatant disconnect from reality. Imagine someone barging into a families home and killing one of the parents but leaving two kids and the other parent. I'd laugh myself to death seeing them argue at court. . . "Your honor, I only killed ONE of them so it wasn't deadly. . . I was mostly peaceful! I should only be charged with trespassing."
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Let's examine this scenario for a second: the trespassers did not kill anyone so your analogy is way off. What happened was an unarmed woman was shot and killed by Capitol Police. The use of the word "deadly" is purely for shock value, both politically and for headlines.
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For the life of my, someone died during this protest, not even counting the other people that had medical issues, but Ashli died as a DIRECT result of being in the capitol attempting to gain entry to a secure area. . . She's literally dead and you're saying it wasn't deadly.
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Context is everything. Yes Police killed her, NO the trespassing was not deadly as in the trespassers killed people.
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Officers also testified under oath that people were trying to strip their firearms from them and use them against them. I guess they're lying.
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No, I do not "guess" that they are lying. No doubt in my mind that if this actually did happen, that the Capital Police assumed the worst. And so this leads to a logical question: how many Capital Police lost possession of a firearm? How many people were shot with said stolen firearm? If the Capital Police believed their life was in danger, why didn't they defend themselves with deadly force?
No not all situations require deadly force, but if dozens of rioters can't manage to take a firearm away from a single person, I tend to believe those rioters were not after the gun and had not intentions of shooting anyone. Besides, they could have brought their own guns IF they conspired to overthrow a Government.
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If by implying Trump is a liar, you should apply the same standard to biden,....you know, the guy who was an 18 wheeler driver.
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2.5
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JUL 29, 12:25 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by randye:
I say she was AMBUSHED WITHOUT WARNING and NEEDLESSLY MURDERED by a COWARDLY, INCOMPETENT, DEMORAT, police officer with a documented history of mishandling his firearm who was hiding in a coat closet and popped out only to shoot Ashli Babbitt and then ran away.
The ONLY HOMICIDE that day was committed by the aforementioned COWARDLY, INCOMPETENT, DEMORAT.
That DOES NOT make any of the rioters that day "deadly" OR "insurrectionists"
This isn't up for debate. This is a -fact-. Whine all you want.
Only YOU LEFTISTS are trying, and failing, to change reality.
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Details matter for sure.
They may not matter as much as headlines to some for whom the details destroy a narrative of lies and misdirection.
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RandomTask
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JUL 29, 01:41 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 2.5:
Details matter for sure.
They may not matter as much as headlines to some for whom the details destroy a narrative of lies and misdirection. |
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Details matter. Ashli was attempting to gain access to a secure area of the capitol. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Curious, how far should the police have let these rioters get into the capitol before they DID use deadly force?
But I get it, she's your martyr. Your simultaneously arguing she was murdered while also claiming it wasn't deadly. The fact that you can't see how ridiculous of an argument this is makes everything else moot.
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