Oxford Michigan School Shooting (Page 4/4)
Fats DEC 03, 09:33 PM

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Originally posted by randye:


The school never searched the boy's backpack but under Michigan state law and TLO vs New Jersey (SCOTUS 1985), they had every legal right to do so and, some would also argue, a responsibility to the safety of the other students in their school to do so.

From a simple search of the kid to suspension / expulsion there were several steps that the state failed to take to mitigate the threat.

What is the basis of your assertion that there was "no cooperation from the parents" ?




Right, but why would the school have any reason to search the backpack? I don't think any reasonable person would think the parents had just bought this kid a pistol, and besides a very disturbing drawing, what would be the reasoning for searching a backpack?

I don't even blame the parents for not thinking about him having the gun at school*. I don't think any normal person would think about that. Perhaps a Police Officer would have thought about asking, but really anything else is armchair quarterbacking.

*This is separate from blaming them for buying him the gun.
randye DEC 03, 09:49 PM

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Originally posted by Fats:


Right, but why would the school have any reason to search the backpack? I don't think any reasonable person would think the parents had just bought this kid a pistol, and besides a very disturbing drawing, what would be the reasoning for searching a backpack?

I don't even blame the parents for not thinking about him having the gun at school*. I don't think any normal person would think about that. Perhaps a Police Officer would have thought about asking, but really anything else is armchair quarterbacking.

*This is separate from blaming them for buying him the gun.



Precisely.

That was exactly my point.

My other point is that, based on what little we actually know right now, it seems as though the decision by that prosecutor to charge the parents looks a whole lot more like revenge and prosecutorial overreach than it does the pursuit of actual justice.

It also shouldn't go without note that the prosecutor carries a bit of "political baggage" of her own into this.
She is also very busy making the utmost of the media attention on her in all the major TV networks right now: https://news.yahoo.com/law-...bleys-232053358.html

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jmbishop DEC 03, 10:41 PM

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Originally posted by Fats:


Right, but why would the school have any reason to search the backpack? I don't think any reasonable person would think the parents had just bought this kid a pistol, and besides a very disturbing drawing, what would be the reasoning for searching a backpack?

I don't even blame the parents for not thinking about him having the gun at school*. I don't think any normal person would think about that. Perhaps a Police Officer would have thought about asking, but really anything else is armchair quarterbacking.

*This is separate from blaming them for buying him the gun.



If that's the only context, I don't think you're wrong, but we don't have all the context so I think a strong stance one way or the other is a little foolish.

I'd honestly be surprised if this was a isolated incident, but again, we don't have the full context.
rinselberg DEC 04, 08:09 AM

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The parents of a Michigan teenager who the police say fatally shot four classmates in the halls of Oxford High School in suburban Detroit were arrested early Saturday after being the subject of an intense manhunt.

The teenager’s parents, James and Jennifer Crumbley, were taken into custody in a commercial building in Detroit after the police received a tip that led them to the location, officials said. Arriving officers spotted their vehicle and moved in to arrest them. It came a day after they were charged with involuntary manslaughter in the deaths, failed to show up for their arraignment and apparently fled town.

“We have in fact taken them into custody without incident,” James E. White, Detroit’s police chief, said at an early-morning news conference. “They appeared to be hiding in the building,” he said, adding, “We got a tip that they were there.”

“They did not resist” when officers moved in to arrest them, he said, describing the couple as “distressed.”


That's almost half of this report from the New York Times.

"Parents of Michigan Shooting Suspect Arrested in Detroit, Police Say"
Gerry Mullany for the New York Times; December 4, 2021.
https://www.nytimes.com/202...arents-arrested.html

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