Columbus Day? Why does he get credit? (Page 4/7)
sourmash OCT 11, 05:46 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

"Did Italian sailors know that the United States [sic] existed 150 years before [the famous voyage of] Christopher Columbus?"

Cory Weinberg for Press Stories; October 11, 2021.
https://presstories.com/202...covered% 20in%202013.

Not a long article.

I think the question that is presented as the title or banner for the article is not clearly answered by the article.

"Maybe."




The Uniter States? Seriously?! The United States?! Who would bother clicking something that far out of sync with chronologically historical events? Besides 82what's his name, I mean.

Columbus didn't set foot on a mainland did he?
cvxjet OCT 11, 06:08 PM
Columbus was NOT looking for new lands to plunder; He was searching for a easier route to the far east....That is why the Caribbean Islands are called the "West Indies"- As in INDIA....So blaming him for Europeans conquering N. America is kind of....Dumb....
williegoat OCT 11, 06:10 PM
So, to sum it all up and hopefully answer the original question; it was Columbus' voyages that laid the groundwork for the first European settlements that eventually became The United States of America.
The Vikings came and left, never establishing a permanent colony. Those who came before, the indigenous population, did not form the U.S.A.
We say Columbus discovered America because his voyages brought the Europeans and the Europeans created America.
Right or wrong, that is what happened.

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sourmash OCT 11, 06:14 PM

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Originally posted by cvxjet:

Columbus was NOT looking for new lands to plunder; He was searching for a easier route to the far east....That is why the Caribbean Islands are called the "West Indies"- As in INDIA....So blaming him for Europeans conquering N. America is kind of....Dumb....




True. As said in the other thread his funders who accompanied him took slaves when the new Indian trade route they were speculating on finding failed to materialize.

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blackrams OCT 11, 06:20 PM
Well, to be honest, I don't really care who or what was first, We needed the bank today and because someone at some point in time decided to make today a frick'n holiday, my schedule is screwed up for the next week. Was supposed to travel to Atlanta and pick up a Trike that's going to Austin, TX. Seller was ready, transporter was ready and the buyer was ready to send an electronic transfer of funds buttttttttttttttttttttttttttt. No Joy.

Damn Columbus Day!!!!

Rams
sourmash OCT 11, 06:20 PM

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Originally posted by williegoat:
No, it was not Vikings as sourboy suggests.



Right or wrong? You wouldn't know right from wrong. You can't even admit you just made up some claim about someone else that was never made.
Jake_Dragon OCT 11, 07:43 PM

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Originally posted by Jonesy:

Columbus also helped to create a massive slave trade economy as well, so he gets credit for that..

So not what i would call a "hero" or someone to be celebrated.




I was taught that he was responsible for expanding trade routes, that was his goal. He was not an explorer as much as a travelling sales man trying to get to market faster than the next guy.
Like everyone else at that time, they had little value in human life unless it was a commodity. If it wasn't him it would have been someone else.
rinselberg OCT 11, 08:00 PM

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Originally posted by sourmash:
The Uniter States? Seriously?! The United States?! Who would bother clicking something that far out of sync with chronologically historical events? Besides 82what's his name, I mean.

Columbus didn't set foot on a mainland did he?


That was a shoddy news report that I settled on. I was trying to find my back to the news report that I remembered reading before. I just posted that one to save myself some time. It's based on something that was just published in Terrae Incognitae: The Journal of the Society for the History of Discoveries; to wit:

"Marckalada: The First Mention of America in the Mediterranean Area (c. 1340)"
Paolo Chiesa for Terrae Incognitae; July 16, 2021.
https://www.tandfonline.com...0822884.2021.1943792

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The Cronica universalis written by the Milanese friar Galvaneus Flamma (it. Galvano Fiamma, d. c. 1345) contains an astonishing reference to a terra que dicitur Marckalada, situated west from Greenland. This land is recognizable as the Markland mentioned by some Icelandic sources and identified by scholars as some part of the Atlantic coast of North America. Galvaneus’s reference, probably derived by oral sources heard in Genoa, is the first mention of the American continent in the Mediterranean region, and gives evidence of the circulation (out of the Nordic area and 150 years before Columbus) of narratives about lands beyond Greenland. This article provides a transcription of the passage, explains its context in the Cronica universalis, compares it to the other (Nordic) references of Markland, and discusses the possible origin of Galvaneus’s mention of Markland in light of Galvaneus’s biography and working method.

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randye OCT 11, 09:27 PM

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Originally posted by williegoat:

The Vikings came and left, never establishing a permanent colony.




My people are very practical folk.

They sailed back home and waited until Minnesota and North Dakota were established and then they came back.


(None of that will make sense to someone that doesn't know how many Scandinavians settled that area)

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blackrams OCT 11, 09:30 PM

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Originally posted by randye:


My people are very practical folk.

They sailed back home and waited until Minnesota and North Dakota were established and then they came back.




And yet, you ended up in Florida.......... Hmmm........

Rams