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| What do we Fiero enthusiasts think about the Infrastructure bill? (Page 4/7) |
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FieroSTETZ
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AUG 13, 06:36 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:
Google is reviewing wages of people working from home and going to reduce the salaries of employees that don't come back to the office. Google it. |
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That's google's prerogative. I took the alternate path, and decided to pay more to people that wanted to come back. Different companies can decide to do different things. There are enough different perks for Google workers that they aren't going to be hurt significantly by it. Realistically, there aren't many companies *better* at data analytics than google is. If you could make 200k at google as a new developer while living in mountain grove, working from home and moving to somewhere like Mississippi for 150k would still be a massive step up. The point being, you give people a choice. They can look at the pros and cons and make a decision. If they move out of a congested area into a less populous one, that frees up housing for someone that *needs* to live in that area to be closer to work. Anything that allows people to live closer to gainful employment is a net positive.[This message has been edited by FieroSTETZ (edited 08-13-2021).]
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FieroSTETZ
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AUG 13, 06:37 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
Yes, heard that today.
The danger of public transportation is also a major deterrent. You might get shoved onto the tracks by diversity. You might get accosted on the train by diversity.
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Hush, I want a sweet 200mph bullet train - don't **** it up.
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Jake_Dragon
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AUG 14, 01:18 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by FieroSTETZ:
Hush, I want a sweet 200mph bullet train - don't **** it up. |
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Trains don't work. But I guess if it takes 8 hours to charge your car that's the only way you get to see mom for Christmas.
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FieroSTETZ
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AUG 14, 01:25 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:
Trains don't work. But I guess if it takes 8 hours to charge your car that's the only way you get to see mom for Christmas. |
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It's not too bad if you have a rapid charger, like 20 something minutes? I test drove a model S and a model 3 performance. Honestly, what got me was the lack of sound. It was just so... passionless. Like, if driving is going to be this numb, whats the point of driving. I'd almost rather be a passenger at that point. Both were absolutely bonkers fast, I just don't think the infrastructure and battery technology are quite there yet. Close, but not quite. I could see electric cars working if you lived in the city, but anywhere rural is gonna be a pain.
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rinselberg
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AUG 14, 02:19 PM
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Speaking of infrastructure, an old idea is getting a new look in Germany.
Electric-powered trucks, drawing current from overhead electrical or "catenary" lines.
The gizmo on top of the truck that draws current from the overhead lines is a "pantograph."
The idea is to go "overhead" in this way, to electrify stretches of highway that carry a lot of truck traffic.
When the truck reaches the highway exit, it disconnects from the overhead electrical line(s) and travels to its final destination on battery power, or a secondary Internal Combustion Engine. Maybe a hydrogen or biodiesel-powered Internal Combustion Engine. Or powered by electricity from a hydrogen-powered fuel cell.
According to Discovery(.com), "it would take 2,500 miles of [overhead] electrical wiring to accommodate about 60% of German truck traffic."
The idea is already being tested.
"Are Electric Highways the Way of the Future?" Tatum Lenberg for Discovery; August 9, 2021. https://www.discovery.com/m...e-way-of-the-future-
"7 More Scania Trucks as German E-Road Expands"
| quote | | The first German electric road test track on the A5 motorway near Frankfurt will be extended by almost seven kilometres, and Scania will deliver seven additional pantograph-equipped trucks . . . |
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Steel Guru Business News; February 5, 2021. https://www.steelguru.com/a...erman-e-road-expands
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82-T/A [At Work]
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AUG 14, 05:43 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
Speaking of infrastructure, an old idea is getting a new look in Germany.
Electric-powered trucks, drawing current from overhead electrical or "catenary" lines.
The gizmo on top of the truck that draws current from the overhead lines is a "pantograph."
The idea is to go "overhead" in this way, to electrify stretches of highway that carry a lot of truck traffic.
When the truck reaches the highway exit, it disconnects from the overhead electrical line(s) and travels to its final destination on battery power, or a secondary Internal Combustion Engine. Maybe a hydrogen or biodiesel-powered Internal Combustion Engine. Or powered by electricity from a hydrogen-powered fuel cell.
According to Discovery(.com), "it would take 2,500 miles of [overhead] electrical wiring to accommodate about 60% of German truck traffic."
The idea is already being tested.
"Are Electric Highways the Way of the Future?" Tatum Lenberg for Discovery; August 9, 2021. https://www.discovery.com/m...e-way-of-the-future-
"7 More Scania Trucks as German E-Road Expands" Steel Guru Business News; February 5, 2021. https://www.steelguru.com/a...erman-e-road-expands
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Hmm... I'm not sure I really understand the cost savings there. These trucks still technically have to have batteries, and... now they will have to have some crazy contraption that attaches to the roof which skids along the lines... which most certainly will add wear to the lines, and of course the cost of suspending all those lines.
It would make sense to me that, more realistically:
1 - Offer tax breaks for large semi trailers that are completely covered in solar panels on the roof (maybe it extends travel by 50 miles?) 2 - Add power / charging stations along the way, independent of normal gas stations (so as to reduce congestion between either)
I'm not really seeing the suspension lines making much sense... just me.
(Edited to fix the quote issues)[This message has been edited by 82-T/A [At Work] (edited 08-14-2021).]
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randye
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AUG 14, 07:43 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
I'm not really seeing the suspension lines making much sense... just me.
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It isn't just you.
It doesn't make any sense to anyone with a rational brain in their head as an option for this country.
The continental United States is roughly 28 TIMES the size of Germany.
Germany is about the size of the state of Montana.
We ship goods by trucks which travel by 6 lane interstate highways that stretch across the entire U.S.
The entire US Interstate highway system is 46,876 miles which is almost 2 TIMES THE CIRCUMFERENCE OF THE EARTH
The longest German highway is the A7, which is 962 kilometers, (a little over 590 miles), between Flensburg to Füssen, (I've driven it).
The present cost of diesel fuel in Germany is approx. $6.10 / Gallon
In May 2021 the average cost of diesel fuel in the U.S. was $3.21 / Gallon
Urban Utopian Leftists with childlike minds and no sense of scale or idea of the enormous costs and the additional power requirements of something like that believe that it is "feasible" or "cost effective"......
.....OK that's not true. Urban Utopian Leftists DO NOT even consider or care what it requires in real world terms.
Just whatever seems cool to them.[This message has been edited by randye (edited 08-15-2021).]
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rinselberg
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AUG 14, 11:50 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Hmm... I'm not sure I really understand the cost savings there. These trucks still technically have to have batteries, and... now they will have to have some crazy contraption that attaches to the roof which skids along the lines... which most certainly will add wear to the lines, and of course the cost of suspending all those lines.
It would make sense to me that, more realistically:
- Offer tax breaks for large semi trailers that are completely covered in solar panels on the roof (maybe it extends travel by 50 miles?)
- Add power / charging stations along the way, independent of normal gas stations (so as to reduce congestion between either)
I'm not really seeing the suspension lines making much sense... just me. |
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I agree in the sense that I cannot "see" stringing overhead electrical lines above any sizable fraction of the roughly 50,000 miles of roadway that comprises the Interstate Highway System in the United States.
It only makes sense (potentially) where there is a relatively short stretch of highway with a high volume of heavy duty truck traffic shuttling between "A" and "B".
This was published not too long ago (2017) on a U.S. trucking industry website:
| quote | | A new, zero-emission highway concept for moving freight is undergoing testing near Long Beach, California. |
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| quote | German technology giant Siemens and the South Coast Air Quality Management District are conducting a one-mile, zero-emission eHighway demonstration in Carson, California, to determine the feasibility of a dedicated electric highway. The test involves three big-rig trucks hauling freight along a stretch of highway that uses Siemens technology to electrify select highway lanes via an overhead catenary system. This catenary system supplies the trucks with electric power, similar to how modern-day trolleys or streetcars are powered on many city streets, but the system also allows for truck operation outside the electrified sections of infrastructure. . . .
Unlike a streetcar, these test trucks can connect and disconnect automatically with the contact line while moving to easily switch lanes or pass other vehicles without being permanently fixed to the overhead system. . . . |
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"Siemens Begins Zero-Emissions Highway Testing in California" TruckingInfo staff; November 13, 2017. https://www.truckinginfo.co...esting-in-california
More recently, on that same trucking industry website:
U.S. demonstration project focused on intermodal transport, with heavy duty trucks shuffling cargo between container ship facilities and nearby railroad freight terminals:
| quote | In 2017, Siemens tested the pantograph concept in a six-month southern California demonstration project, running three trucks along a one-mile stretch of electric highway — one battery-electric truck, a clean natural-gas hybrid-electric truck, and a diesel-hybrid truck.
The test took place in Carson, California, near the ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach, an area where state and local officials have focused a great deal of regulatory and government-incentive-based attention on reducing truck emissions. It’s also a logical place for such technology because there are heavily used stretches of road in and out of the [container ship] ports that would be targets for the overhead charging infrastructure. |
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"Can 'Electric Highways' Help with Zero Emissions Truck Goals?" Deborah Lockridge for TruckingInfo; August 6, 2021. https://www.truckinginfo.co...missions-truck-goals
So I think we could see this on a limited basis here in the United States. Not saying it's anything more than an outside possibility. An old idea that gets revived in the not so distant future.
It's clearly made more progress towards becoming a "thing" in Germany, although it's still very much a work in progress that may not come to fruition as a permanent part of the German transportation infrastructure.
It's not like I personally have an overhead roadway electrification "dog in this fight."
I think I like it partly because of nostalgia.
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Get ready for the forum's number one malefactor to post yet another absurdly overblown rant about Liberals, Leftists, "Greenies" (etc.) being dominated by their emotions, and in so doing, demonstrate once again how he himself is governed by his emotions over his reason, to an extraordinary and seldom-seen extent, whenever he is logged into this forum.
He should just log out of this forum and go back to being "Great Again", without littering up this joint (so to speak) with one more ill-considered word or image.
 [This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 08-14-2021).]
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randye
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AUG 15, 12:35 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
He should just log out of this forum and go back to being "Great Again", without littering up this joint (so to speak) with one more ill-considered word or image.
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We've been over this with you dozens of times now. It's becoming obvious that you are a slow learner.
YOU DO NOT GET TO ORDER ANYONE OFF THIS FORUM..
YOU DO NOT GET TO TELL ANYONE WHAT TO DO HERE..
YOU DO NOT GET TO CONTROL ANYONE'S SPEECH HERE.[This message has been edited by randye (edited 08-15-2021).]
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rinselberg
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AUG 15, 01:21 PM
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Just a minute here . . . well, a minute and a half.
 Select ("click") the image to enlarge it to full size.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 08-15-2021).]
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