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cvxjet
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MAR 22, 10:56 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Summary...
Democrats did some racist bad things back in the day.
Democrats are embarrassed about their history and try to eliminate it.
Republicans are somehow evil and racist ??? |
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Here is that evil "Democrat" that is trying to get the bust moved......
By the way.....Have any of you got a picture of the Democrat's "Leftist Laser" that converts Republicans into Rinos or worse (Leftists)...?
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cliffw
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MAR 23, 06:46 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
I don't think that memorials to the Confederacy have any proper place where the people's governance is conducted, like state capitol buildings and courthouses.
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We have three State holidays in Texas rinselberg. Independence Day, the day we declared independence. San Jacinto Day, the day we won independence. I don't have the heart to tell you the third one.
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olejoedad
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MAR 23, 08:10 AM
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If the 'Leftist Laser's did exist, could the polarity be reversed to easily undo the Leftist brainwashing of the last two generations by our public school system?
Could it really be that easy.
cvxjet, I used to be very liberal.
Then I got out into the real world and experienced how things work - - - and I grew up.
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rinselberg
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MAR 23, 10:09 AM
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I will be back to see what people had to say. There are some messages that came in yesterday and today that I have not looked at--but I will.
I missed the mark when I named the thread. If I had a Do-Over I would go with this:
'A Confederate General in the Tennessee State Capitol Building' a novel by rinselberg
I tested it. It's the exact maximum number of characters that are allowed.
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williegoat
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MAR 23, 10:14 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
We have three State holidays in Texas rinselberg. Independence Day, the day we declared independence. San Jacinto Day, the day we won independence. I don't have the heart to tell you the third one. |
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Is it five months before Juneteenth?[This message has been edited by williegoat (edited 03-23-2021).]
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maryjane
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MAR 23, 06:56 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by williegoat:
Is it five months before Juneteenth?
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On Jan. 19 annually, state workers in Texas get the day after Martin Luther King Jr. Day off, with pay, to celebrate “Confederate Heroes Day.” .
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rinselberg
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MAR 24, 07:23 AM
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"Why Texas Still Celebrates 'Confederate Heroes' Day"
| quote | | Recent attempts to abolish the holiday have failed. But things might be different when lawmakers return to Austin in January [2021.] |
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Emily McCullar for TexasMonthly; July 3, 2020.
https://www.texasmonthly.co...-heroes-day-abolish/
Read-o-Meter: almost 8 minutes.
Everything that's known to history about Texas Confederate Heroes Day.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 03-24-2021).]
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rinselberg
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MAR 24, 09:34 AM
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The aforementioned Confederate General, Nathan Bedford Forrest, spoke publicly on July 5, 1875, to the Independent Order of Pole-Bearers Association, a post-war organization of black Southerners advocating to improve the economic condition of blacks and to gain equal rights for all citizens.
"Nathan Bedford Forrest"
Mark White for Our Memphis History; November(?) 2019.
https://ourmemphishistory.c...han-bedford-forrest/
Nathan Bedford Forrest's "Pole-Bearers" address has been cited by people that might be called "the friends of Nathan Bedford Forrest" to assert that the antebellum plantation owner and slave trader, Confederate general and first Grand Wizard of the original version of the Ku Klux Klan was not a racist, or even a particularly "bad" guy.
If you consult the text of that speech--I just provided the link and the speech is only four paragraphs--Nathan Bedford Forrest touches obliquely on the Fort Pillow massacre, without explicitly denying that he bears responsibility or explicitly denying that the ordered any of the Confederate soldiers under his command to butcher the Union Army's black soldiers instead of taking them as prisoners of war.
| quote | | Many things have been said about me which are wrong, and which white and black persons here, who stood by me through the war, can contradict. I have been in the heat of battle when colored men, asked me to protect them. I have placed myself between them and the bullets of my men, and told them they should be kept unharmed. |
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Nathan Bedford Forrest's conciliatory remarks on that occasion were not received with enthusiasm by at least one other veteran of the Confederate States Army--a "Captain E. Eve"--as documented by a modern day commentator who found an archival account from the Augusta Chronicle of July 31, 1875:
| quote | I was looking around recently for some background to the famous Pole-Bearers address given by Nathan Bedford Forrest in July 1875 at Memphis. In his speech to the Freedmen’s group, Forrest emphasized the importance of African Americans building their community, participating in elections, and both races moving forward in peace. Just prior to making his remarks, Forrest was presented a bouquet of flowers by an African American girl, and responded by giving the girl a kiss on the cheek. This single event is sometimes cited as proof that the former slave dealer and Klan leader “wasn’t a racist” or some similar nonsense, as if that modern term had much import in mid-19th century America.
I’ll have more to say about the Pole Bearers speech another time, but if you ever wondered how Forrest’s actions that day were perceived by at least some of his former comrades in gray, now we know. They weren’t happy about it, and went to considerable efforts to say so . . . |
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Andy Hall; Dead Confederates: A Civil War Era Blog; August 20, 2013.
https://deadconfederates.co...-southern-gentleman/[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 03-24-2021).]
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sourmash
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MAR 24, 02:14 PM
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Sounds like many can see the Forrest and the trees, afterall.
Look up "posse comitatus". Reconstruction government was so oppressive that something had to be done about it. Therein may lie some reason for Klan groups.
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rinselberg
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MAR 24, 02:23 PM
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All the more reason to relocate the bronze of Nathan Bedford Forrest from the Capitol Building to the State Museum, where a full and fair accounting of the man and his life can be presented in a way that the Capitol Building cannot accommodate, unless the Capitol Building is made into a dual purpose Capitol Building and Museum, which would duplicate the function of the State Museum and so represent an expensive redundancy.
The Tennessee State Museum already has a section for the Civil War.
As I've remarked here already, the Historical Commission voted 25-1 in favor of the relocation, which is a "package" that also includes a bronze of Union Admiral David Farragut and another US Navy Admiral who belongs to the period after the Civil War. (He was born in Nashville.)[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 03-24-2021).]
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