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cliffw
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MAR 06, 05:22 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
How many are alive but suffering from "long" Covid--the long term debilitating effects for some people after their acute infection with Covid subsides?
Some of the victims of "long" Covid are children.
I wish it were easier to find credibly presented statistics of this kind online.
I am not here to "wipe out" all the other parts of what MidEngineManiac said in his message.
But I don't think it's as one-sided as the scenario he describes, ending with his assertion that Covid is the biggest fraud in history.
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How many are alive but suffering from long term debilitating effects of Covid ? Everybody alive, whether they contracted Covid or not.
You claim children are victims of "long Covid",  . Educational denial ? What the heck is long Covid. Your CDC does not even have guidelines for those that have been fully vaccinated.
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maryjane
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MAR 06, 05:50 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
Shuuush, I tink I taaw a wabbit.
If I chase two rabbits, both will get away.
Unfortunately maryjane, the people painting the facts, data, lies, damn lies, and statistics do not paint the whole panorama. They only paint what they want you to see, but you know that.
The rabbit I am chasing will prove to you that burning old tires with whale oil endangers every living thing on the planet, perhaps the planet itself. There is a study for that,  .
Are you saying the survival rate is better than 99% ? I thought it was but did not know the exact number. We were told two million would be dead by now. |
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As I expected.
Your reply is classic CliffW.
Emptiness with a side order of more questions.
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cliffw
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MAR 06, 06:27 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
As I expected.
Your reply is classic CliffW.
Emptiness with a side order of more questions.
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Thank you maryjane. I see you are coming around.
What facts did you want ? NY Governor Cuomo's facts ?
Yes. Emptiness begs questions.
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rinselberg
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MAR 06, 02:43 PM
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"Long" Covid
| quote | Nearly one-third of people with COVID-19 [symptomatic COVID-19 is my reading of it] had lingering symptoms a median of 6 months after infection onset, a single-center prospective study suggested.
Among COVID-19 patients whose infections ranged from asymptomatic to severe, two problems -- fatigue and loss of smell or taste -- persisted most frequently, reported Helen Chu, MD, MPH, of University of Washington in Seattle, and co-authors, in a JAMA Network Open research letter. |
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| quote | The University of Washington study followed 177 people with laboratory-confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection who completed questionnaires from August to November 2020, 3 to 9 months after their COVID-19 onset (median 169 days). Mean age was 48 and 57% were women. Hypertension was the most common comorbidity (13%).
Across the cohort, 6.2% of participants were asymptomatic, 84.7% were outpatients with mild illness, and 9.0% were hospitalized with moderate or severe disease. Patients completed followup questionnaires a median of 169 days after COVID-19 onset.
Overall, 32.7% of outpatients and 31.3% of inpatients reported at least one persistent symptom, most commonly fatigue (13.6%) and loss of sense of smell or taste (13.6%). In addition, 13.0% reported other symptoms, including brain fog (2.3%). |
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| quote | | Study limitations include small sample size, single study location, and potential bias from self-reported symptoms, the researchers acknowledged. "We plan to continue to survey our cohort every 6 months for 2 years to continue to assess changes in long-term symptoms over time," McCulloch said. "With over 28 million cases of COVID-19 in the U.S. alone, if even a small percentage of people experience long-term debility, this could have significant and lasting health and economic consequences." |
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"Study Puts Numbers to 'Long COVID' Duration, Prevalence"
Judy George for MedPage Today; February 19, 2021.
https://www.medpagetoday.co...isease/covid19/91270[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 03-06-2021).]
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MidEngineManiac
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MAR 06, 08:27 PM
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maryjane
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MAR 08, 09:09 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
Thank you maryjane. I see you are coming around.
What facts did you want ? NY Governor Cuomo's facts ?
Yes. Emptiness begs questions. |
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That's a construct usually reserved for kindergarten and grades1-3.
Adults with the ability to find answers on their own, not so much.
You make a lot of unsupported statements and when asked for sources or proof, you seem to be at a loss of understanding as to why you should support your allegations.[This message has been edited by maryjane (edited 03-08-2021).]
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cliffw
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MAR 08, 04:48 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
You make a lot of unsupported statements and when asked for sources or proof, you seem to be at a loss of understanding as to why you should support your allegations.
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I am not at a loss of understanding why some demand it. What allegations did I assert ?
My first post in this thread ... :
| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
... which I think is half of that, ... |
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The only questionable allegation I see (in this thread).
There are many questionable news stories, government studies, opinion articles (which cite 'spin"), nefarious agendas and the like to not believe anything you hear, and only half the things you see.
I read a lot of current newsworthy events. From all differing sources. They all shape my opinion, what I think. I am not a researcher who should rely on sources, nor am I an investigative reporter (who can use anonymous sources). I am not a government agent who needs proof, fake or not (remember the Steele Dossier?).
I depend on street sense, common sense.
You are aware that we have debated the Covid death numbers, as well as if a mask protects the wearer or the public. We have opinions. I state mine.
You are welcome to prove each and every 500,000 deaths of covid as from covid only. With sources, lies damn lies, statistics, and data. You can't do it. If I have become prey to some disinformation propaganda, prove me wrong.
Another lie we are being told is that Covid affects People of Color (is that racist now?) more disproportionately. Why ? How ? Because they are POC ? Is that why only POC are disinfranchised from voting with voter ID ?
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rinselberg
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MAR 09, 01:44 AM
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"Unlocking the Mysteries of Long COVID"
| quote | | A growing number of clinicians are on an urgent quest to find treatments for a frighteningly pervasive problem. They’ve had surprising early success. |
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Meghan O'Rourke for The Atlantic; March 8, 2021.
https://www.theatlantic.com...f-long-covid/618076/
I won't Read-o-Meter it, but it's a magazine length report. A "read." Maybe like a chapter from a novel that's organized in chapters. It's not a brief news report.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 03-09-2021).]
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maryjane
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MAR 09, 08:29 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
I am not at a loss of understanding why some demand it. What allegations did I assert ?
My first post in this thread ... :
... which I think is half of that, ...
The only questionable allegation I see (in this thread).
There are many questionable news stories, government studies, opinion articles (which cite 'spin"), nefarious agendas and the like to not believe anything you hear, and only half the things you see.
I read a lot of current newsworthy events. From all differing sources. They all shape my opinion, what I think. I am not a researcher who should rely on sources, nor am I an investigative reporter (who can use anonymous sources). I am not a government agent who needs proof, fake or not (remember the Steele Dossier?).
I depend on street sense, common sense.
You are aware that we have debated the Covid death numbers, as well as if a mask protects the wearer or the public. We have opinions. I state mine.
You are welcome to prove each and every 500,000 deaths of covid as from covid only. With sources, lies damn lies, statistics, and data. You can't do it. If I have become prey to some disinformation propaganda, prove me wrong.
Another lie we are being told is that Covid affects People of Color (is that racist now?) more disproportionately. Why ? How ? Because they are POC ? Is that why only POC are disinfranchised from voting with voter ID ? |
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Don't believe everything you think
You've stated nothing BUT opinion, mostly your own. No data, no science, just spurious & somewhat specious  that you now ask other to disprove.
One can choose to be informed or misinformed. You have chosen the latter.
Donald Trump did the same thing and it ultimately cost him the re-election.[This message has been edited by maryjane (edited 03-09-2021).]
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sourmash
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MAR 09, 08:42 AM
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These people have been repeating the lie so often it's now the base point for what may or may not be a factor.
Isnt the correct phrase "deaths involving covid 19"? Which is not anywhere close to 'deaths FROM covid 19' that people pretend is being said. George Floyd had covid. A motor cycle fatality and an individual thrown from a vehicle to his death were counted.
We know the BSers are.
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