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maryjane
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FEB 11, 09:08 PM
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Which is why I said "I doubt much will come of it."
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williegoat
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FEB 11, 09:47 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
"Mr Trump was very enthusiastic until he realized this isn't Futon County. I guess he thought it had something to do with the MyPillow guy."
Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis
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When I was just a rich kid, my daddy told me:
Son, always be a good boy. Don’t ever play with lawyers.
But I called a man in Georgia, just to tell him “Hi”
When I hear Chuck Schumer talking, I shake my head and sigh.
I hear Ms Willis whining,
I think she’s gone round the bend.
And I ain’t seen a day off, since this all began.
No luck in Fulton County, it just keeps dragging on.
The BS keeps on rolling, since I hung up the phone.
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rinselberg
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FEB 12, 02:01 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
What's important to the Democrats is how this conditions popular opinion after Trump is acquitted. When there's 50 or more votes to convict Trump but less than the two thirds majority (supermajority) of 67 votes to formally convict him.
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David Frum is a staff writer at The Atlantic and the author of Trumpocalypse: Restoring American Democracy (2020). In 2001 and 2002, he was a speechwriter for President George W. Bush. Here we see him echoing what I said previously in this thread.
CNN anchor Chris Cuomo and political commentator David Frum (CNN video content.)
https://www.cnn.com/videos/...rial-two-cpt-vpx.cnn
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williegoat
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FEB 12, 02:41 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
David Frum is a staff writer at The Atlantic and the author of Trumpocalypse: Restoring American Democracy (2020). In 2001 and 2002, he was a speechwriter for President George W. Bush. Here we see him echoing what I said previously in this thread.
CNN anchor Chris Cuomo and political commentator David Frum (CNN video content.)
https://www.cnn.com/videos/...rial-two-cpt-vpx.cnn
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I don't think the impeachment will change anyone's mind. Half of the country will continue to distrust Democrats and the other half will still be afraid of Trump. Is "Dancing with the Stars" still on TV?
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blackrams
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FEB 12, 03:28 PM
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Having watched the Impeachment proceedings, it is plainly clear the "Prosecution" set up a very emotional condemnation of what occurred on 6 Jan. That emotion being hate, hate of DJT. The defense attempting to apply rules of evidence (to me) have clearly shown the rioting was pre-planned by radical extremist. So why is this even happening?
I don't even like DJT (as a person) but, having just observed the defense. I could not support a vote for conviction.
I think we all know the answer to that question.
I've been watching this on NBC, the bias is so acute, it's sickening. I expect Chuck Todd to run for office as a Democrat soon.
Rams[This message has been edited by blackrams (edited 02-12-2021).]
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randye
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FEB 12, 04:03 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
Having watched the Impeachment proceedings, it is plainly clear the "Prosecution" set up a very emotional condemnation of what occurred on 6 Jan. That emotion being hate, hate of DJT.
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I have pointed out many times before that Leftists form their opinions and make their decisions based largely or primarily on emotion / feelings.
Very little, if any, objective factual data and analysis is involved. Critical thinking is absent.
They have significant problems with discerning opinions and emotions from objective facts and see all of them with equal value.
They can hold and earnestly believe two or more completely contradictory and irreconcilable ideas in their heads simultaneously and apparently be completely unaware or unconcerned by it.
This how they see and scrutinize the world around them and consequently how they assume others do as well, so it is unsurprising that they would make emotion the most integral part of their shampeachment presentation.[This message has been edited by randye (edited 02-12-2021).]
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82-T/A [At Work]
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FEB 12, 04:09 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by randye:
I have pointed out many times before that Leftists form their opinions and make their decisions based largely or primarily on emotion / feelings.
Very little, if any, objective factual data and analysis is involved. Critical thinking is absent.
They have significant problems with discerning opinions and emotions from objective facts and see all of them with equal value.
They can hold and earnestly believe two or more completely contradictory and irreconcilable ideas in their heads simultaneously and apparently be completely unaware or unconcerned by it.
This how they see and scrutinize the world around them and consequently how they assume others do as well, so it is unsurprising that they would make emotion the most integral part of their shampeachment presentation.
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I have to say, quite honestly... I've never seen this worded so well and so succinctly to the point. I agree with this 100% and is very representative of my experience with the vast majority of my friends who are Democrat.
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GTGeff
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FEB 12, 06:58 PM
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Randy,
Great comment. The only thing I would add to your "They have significant problems with discerning opinions and emotions from objective facts and see all of them with equal value" is objective facts AND RULE OF EXISTING LAW.
Jeff
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randye
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FEB 12, 07:42 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by GTGeff:
Randy,
Great comment. The only thing I would add to your "They have significant problems with discerning opinions and emotions from objective facts and see all of them with equal value" is objective facts AND RULE OF EXISTING LAW.
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Thanks, however the rule of law is, by it's very nature, factual, and usually very precise. It is also totally bereft of emotion.
Law is so factual and precise that individual words have great importance, such as the difference between the words may and shall.
This is illustrated in the law of the United States as codified in our Constitution:
Article I, Section 3:
"The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside..."
It doesn't say that the Chief Justice might or may. The Constitution unequivocally and precisely says the Chief Justice SHALL preside.
There is no Constitutional provision to force the Chief Justice to preside and there is NO case law that addresses it.
Likewise there is absolutely NO Constitutional provision that allows the Congress or either of the other two branches of government to appoint anyone else to serve in place of the Chief Justice.
That means that the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court must preside and in the present instance where Chief Justice Roberts has refused to participate the Senate should have been left incapable and without legal jurisdiction to proceed unless or until the issue was settled by the Judicial Branch of our government.
Senate Leftists, with the help of some incredibly ignorant Senate Republicans, completely usurped the legal role of the Judicial Branch to decide what is Constitutional or not and instead voted among themselves if or how the United States Constitution limits them and went ahead with this travesty.
They also appointed a currently serving, partisan politician and member of the former President's opposition party to preside instead of the Chief Justice.
We are now very firmly in Banana Republic, totalitarian, territory and as someone else said in another thread; "I don't know where we go from here."
My very firm sense is that if this behavior of those presently holding the reins of power in our government continues unabated, eventually the guns will come out, the bullets will fly and blood will flow.[This message has been edited by randye (edited 02-12-2021).]
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blackrams
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FEB 12, 07:44 PM
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Well, it should be over tomorrow. Thank God for that.
It's my honest opinion that if the jurist/Senators were able to wipe the partisan hate from their hearts and minds during the vote, not one vote would go to convict. That's not to suggest I like DJT but, he is not guilty of the charge against him. Period.
Rams
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