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blackrams
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JAN 22, 10:33 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
Rams, people who think those 3 are conservative misunderstand conservatism. |
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I'd suggest that depending on the viewer's perspective, there are a few different definitions of Conservativism with several concepts in common. Yours nor mine would be completely accurate.
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sourmash
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JAN 22, 10:49 AM
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Popular truisms say, Republican means conservative. Democrat means liberal.
Demographics of voting say Blacks vote Democrat. Republicans try (and fail) to attract a pretty small voting demographic to the R party by moving to the left. They disavow conservatism that way and in doing so they take for granted the actual conservative voters.
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maryjane
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JAN 22, 11:55 AM
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https://www.theguardian.com...-own-political-party An opinion piece of course, (by Lloyd Green) and who knows how it will play out, which to many, translates into "Is this part of "THE PLAN"? 
| quote | As he departed Washington DC, Trump announced, “We will be back in some form.” His statement is both warning and prediction. Out of sight will not mean out of mind. The calendar, Trump, and his family will all see to that.
The Senate will soon grapple with Trump’s impeachment trial. Come the 2022 midterms, the spectre of Trump’s 6 January 2021 call to arms will continue to haunt. Beyond that, the Trump brand will play an outsized role in 2024’s nominating contests.
Recent reports have emerged of the 45th president forming a third party – the ‘Patriot Party’ – and the Republican establishment gulped. A competing Trump-helmed, white working class and Christian party would likely devastate the Republican party. He remains popular with the party’s faithful at the same time as Americans with college degrees continue to desert what was once the Party of Lincoln.
Insurrection comes with a cost, to a point. Despite the bloody attack on the capitol, seven out of eight Republicans approve of Trump, according to a recent NBC poll. Beyond that, he is the top choice for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination. No one else comes close.
Against that backdrop, Mitch McConnell plays with fire as he entertains the possibility of Trump’s conviction in the Senate. As fellow Kentuckian Rand Paul recently reminded McConnell: if the Senate convicts, “a third of the Republicans will leave the party”.
Still, the probability of Trump actually bolting out of the Republican party is doubtful. The wounded and disgraced former president is more prone to use the threat of forming a new party to batter the Republican leadership into submission. Already, Senator Lindsey Graham is doing Trump’s bidding.
No surprise there. If the last four years have taught us anything it is that fear works, and that Trump is more popular among the party faithful than the suits who roam the halls of Congress.
For the moment, however, they can relax. A little. In recent conversations with the Guardian, those close to Trump’s inner circle and Republican White House veterans bet against the former television reality show host forming a new party.
As one source with knowledge of Trump’s thinking framed things, in all likelihood “he wouldn’t” actually do it.
Instead, Trump would simply “hint” at going his own way in the same manner as he “tossed/dangled running for president” for more than two decades before he actually pulled the trigger in 2015.
Trump’s motivation is more a matter of “letting off steam and not letting a marketing opportunity go to waste.” And then there is revenge.
An embittered Trump would likely fan the flames of internal opposition to his Republican foes. For example, Wyoming’s Liz Cheney, an outspoken advocate of impeachment, is already facing a 2022 primary opponent and a move among House Republicans to dump her as party whip.
Although former Wyoming governors and judges have recently heaped plaudits on Cheney for her “courage”, none of the state’s current elected officials have leapt to her defense. In fact, the Republican committee of Carbon County voted for her censure. By the same measure, conviction of Trump by the Senate is likely to fail.
Looking ahead, another Trump re-election run is uncertain. What he does will likely “depend on what they do to him on impeachment and how much they diss him.” Right now the ex-president sits on a mound of cash that makes toppling him even more difficult.
Yet even if the elder Trump ultimately passes on another race, his namesake Don Jr is waiting in the wings. He is the Trump child with real political chops, and his connection with the party’s base is genuine. For Don Jr, the Second Amendment is more than an applause line and he comes by his rage naturally.
A Trump World insider framed things this way: “Don Jr is like W”, the 43rd president. In contrast to Jeb, who “played the political game and lost”, George W Bush “was the purist and defender of the family honor.”
For added measure, “Don Jr is even more hardcore and has the following.” Unstated is that the 43rd president’s sense of family honor helped plunge the US into a needless war in Iraq.
The lure and comfort of dynastic politics appears have taken root among Trump and his backers. The divisions that helped propel Trump’s 2016 upset are still with us. Even from the sidelines, Trump will possess an outsized voice. Don’t let the small crowd at Joint Base Andrew fool you. The hook brings you back.
Lloyd Green was opposition research counsel to George HW Bush’s 1988 campaign and served in the Department of Justice from 1990 to 1992 Topics |
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[This message has been edited by maryjane (edited 01-22-2021).]
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Fats
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JAN 22, 03:37 PM
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I'm glad the Democrats could stop by to tell Conservatives what they believe.
Stay classy.
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2.5
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JAN 22, 05:23 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by theBDub:
It’s a shame to me that Romney went up against the heavyweight that was Obama. I believe he would’ve made for a great president. But the media decided to latch onto “binders full of women” as if it was remotely inappropriate (it really wasn’t, IMO), and the people raged. |
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Or was it "The first president with a certain color skin" ...now "the first vice with a certain color skin" or "certain gender"... I do wonder which card will be played next.[This message has been edited by 2.5 (edited 01-22-2021).]
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Wichita
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JAN 22, 11:49 PM
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 [This message has been edited by Wichita (edited 01-22-2021).]
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maryjane
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JAN 22, 11:57 PM
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Hear hear! bourgeoisie of the world unite!
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cliffw
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JAN 23, 08:50 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by theBDub: ... I have changed my opinion on it over time, because I think people’s beliefs have changed over time. |
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Have you ever thought of going into politics ? Many candidates promise in campaigns based on which way the wind blows.
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theBDub
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JAN 26, 10:09 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
Have you ever thought of going into politics ? Many candidates promise in campaigns based on which way the wind blows. |
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I don't think it's a bad thing to change beliefs over time. I believe today that intelligent aliens will never interact with Earth. But if they come tomorrow... I'll be singing a different tune!
I do think it's important to have a solid foundation that you build your beliefs off of. All of my beliefs branch from a single trunk, and the trunk has only gotten thicker with time as I test it over and over again. Sometimes a branch breaks, another grows, but the trunk is still solid.
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sourmash
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JAN 26, 10:14 AM
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They aren't aliens. Earthlings here have desires and designs to capture power and treasure from fellow earthlings.
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