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theBDub
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JAN 08, 10:07 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by 2.5:
Would you say it makes you make decisions that make you feel uneasy, or that you disagree with, in order to keep your job?
I find it strange that is accepted as relevant. Is it relevant because it was taught in colleges long enough, taught to youngters who are now in leadership? Who then hired people who think the same way? Is it because we have social media guiding our morality and not absolute truth?
Do you see the connection between this and post modernist group identity politics, and how that leads to socialism, communism, and what that leads to?
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No, I do not. I do exercise discretion in how I phrase concerns, but I think that's fairly normal when discussing socioeconomic issues at work. I think discussing race and sex in the workplace should be easier, and not make people tiptoe so much, but we just aren't there. At the end of the day though, I own all of my decisions.
I think it's accepted as relevant because studies have shown the compounding impact inequality has had in America. The Civil Rights Act was passed barely more than 50 years ago. People are still working who were alive when it passed--it is not far away at all. Even after that, redlining and other ways of getting around explicit racism has profoundly negatively impacted specific populations of people. Someone in another thread talked about how White people lifted themselves up through aspiration, education, and determination. Education itself is a privilege, one that has not been applied equally across the board. When segregation and redlining, only decades ago, forced communities into certain areas, how can we suggest that it's their fault that they didn't live somewhere else with better education? If we ignore that, then we're contributing to a problem. All of that feeds directly into their ability to compete in an equal job pool, which contributes to where they live, which contributes to the opportunities their children have, and on and on. It's a real issue, not something to just ignore and pretend we should just move on.
I don't have a solution. I just understand why it's an issue. I do think many solutions hurt White people. Some, are crazy. I have had large disagreements with people who have said we should just have quotas for leadership, or quotas for political representatives. I'm not on board with that, and will never be. Yes, that technically "solves" the immediate issue of representation, but representation is not the primary issue, just a symptom of a problem we have collectively. I'm not pretending like the solution is that we all buy into everything Social Justice wants to give us, I simply think it's worth understanding the problem so we can actually approach the conversation.
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sourmash
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JAN 08, 10:22 AM
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There is no equality. The huge corporation I mentioned above had a Black supervisor. He was caught on premises in a mechanical closet getting an oral favor from a woman who was his direct subordinate and evrerybody near that closet in his area knew what they had been doing in there. She got moved to a different location. He got no reprimand whatsoever.
Not long after a White supervisor got caught up in an unknown tryst that nobody knows the details about and was fired. She didn't work for him. It was the woman's 3rd work related sexual impropriety at the company and the other 2 were why she was moved to our group. Women, not fired. Black man, not fired. White man, fired.
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2.5
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JAN 08, 10:40 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
Hmm  Yeah, I went through some of that training, a lot of it is just awareness training. Giving one things to think about.
I'm not sure if I'm guilty or innocent then. My goal is, was and has always been to put the most qualified, motivated and talented person in the position. Don't give a rat's ass about much else. If, my goal is/was to get promoted myself or look good, why would I consider anyone but the best I could hire? But, as I said previously, the "Peter Principle" applies to all of us. I'm no longer in a position to hire or fire anyone. Actually, I'm just trying to keep my job as head of household and it ain't look'n good. 
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You sir are guilty of doing a good and correct job.
I was pointin gout the new benchmark is not doing that, and its wrong.
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2.5
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JAN 08, 10:45 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by theBDub:
No, I do not. I do exercise discretion in how I phrase concerns, but I think that's fairly normal when discussing socioeconomic issues at work. I think discussing race and sex in the workplace should be easier, and not make people tiptoe so much, but we just aren't there. At the end of the day though, I own all of my decisions.
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I'm not pretending like the solution is that we all buy into everything Social Justice wants to give us, I simply think it's worth understanding the problem so we can actually approach the conversation. |
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Thats the first problem, they have forced people to edit their speech. I don't mean just saying things nicely, I mean editing their speech, that turns into editing ones own thoughts.
It is very worth understanding, so few even realize what is going on.
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2.5
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JAN 08, 10:55 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by theBDub:
I think it's accepted as relevant because studies have shown the compounding impact inequality has had in America. The Civil Rights Act was passed barely more than 50 years ago. People are still working who were alive when it passed--it is not far away at all. Even after that, redlining and other ways of getting around explicit racism has profoundly negatively impacted specific populations of people. Someone in another thread talked about how White people lifted themselves up through aspiration, education, and determination. Education itself is a privilege, one that has not been applied equally across the board. When segregation and redlining, only decades ago, forced communities into certain areas, how can we suggest that it's their fault that they didn't live somewhere else with better education? If we ignore that, then we're contributing to a problem. All of that feeds directly into their ability to compete in an equal job pool, which contributes to where they live, which contributes to the opportunities their children have, and on and on. It's a real issue, not something to just ignore and pretend we should just move on.
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I appreciate your responses.
I believe emotion over logic and justice runs the rise of social justice.
Studies have also shown through time many of the policies that claim to be trying to correct this current state of affairs, policies enacted by left ideologies, actually do the opposite.
Accepting social justice I believe is much more dangerous than any unequal outcome currently percieved.
Any comments on what I said about post modernism, socialism, communism and where that leads?
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2.5
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JAN 08, 11:16 AM
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Philosophy, logic, and thought
Too long? Try watching the last half:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UVUnUnWfHI
I agree that striving for equity is unacceptable, especially just aiming straight at it. No logic there.
The individual is what matters.
..and no this isnt "news" or a news source. Its philosophy. Though it may inform you of something, yes.
Always interested in what you think about these things.
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2.5
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JAN 08, 11:20 AM
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sourmash
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JAN 08, 11:31 AM
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First time I've really listened to Peterson and it's on purpose because what you run into on the right and farther right where I've poked my head into to look around is where you find people attacking you for being indoctrinated by specific names and Jarod Taylor and Jordon Peterson when you present certain ideas.
He's right that there are no 3rd rail markers for the left to tell them when they're going too far. But my opinion is that is on purpose because they're going for a Hail Mary now. At this time they're going for a complete overthrow of most of the Bill of Rights.
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2.5
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JAN 08, 11:39 AM
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If employers do it, and services do it, and not the gov directly, that may do legal work arounds of many of our rights?
Plus that, inherently indoctrinating and pressuring folks to not say certain things, and to vote certain ways.[This message has been edited by 2.5 (edited 01-08-2021).]
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sourmash
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JAN 08, 12:02 PM
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I know this about my last corporate employer (and probably most of them); there was a female gossip circle you feared if you were a man that one of them didn't like. You felt uncomfortable even passing them in the hall. One of them as a real crap stirrer and would instigate improper discussion about bosses, etc...
Empowerment, the positive kind, is what it's falsely called.[This message has been edited by sourmash (edited 01-08-2021).]
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