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Patrick DEC 24, 08:43 PM

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Originally posted by cvxjet:

As for Atheists...



A non-believer is not necessarily an atheist. There are many agnostics.

As a kid, I went to Sunday school. It was at the local United Church. I would've been about nine years of age. I was completely swallowed up by the whole process. I was a total "believer". However, within a year, I began to have my doubts. I quit Sunday school and never went back.

I don't have a problem with people seeking comfort with religion, as long as it doesn't impinge upon my own life... or upon others who wish to be left alone.

IMO, it's respect that needs to be a universal concept... given as well as expected.
cvxjet DEC 24, 09:28 PM
I actually am still not a believer....I think it would be arrogant to claim I knew about God.....Still, I try to live my life as good as possible (I may be really good by the time I'm 90...)

To give you an idea of how I am now; A (Catholic) co-worker at the Coast Guard Air Station was feeling really bad back around 2000 when the Catholic Sex-abuse scandal was hitting- "It makes me doubt my belief in God".....So I told him, "No! Don't doubt your belief in God- If you should doubt anything let that be the Church"

That wasn't just something I said to make him feel good- I mean it; Your belief in God is your right and is good- but extending that belief out beyond you is where things can go off kilter....It has been said in different ways, but basically, "Who will watch the watchers?" Anyone in Power should be watched...If an organization you are in does something you have doubts about, then VOICE your feelings- do not remain quiet- thereby giving them your..."Blessing" to go even farther.

Addendum; I want to make it clear- The people who do believe in God and their form of religion may actually have the right answer- But I personally have not seen that answer for MYSELF.
olejoedad DEC 24, 11:34 PM
Just took to chip in.....

My own personal belief is that God did what he did, and Science is Man's attempt to explain what He did.
2.5 DEC 28, 10:26 AM

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Originally posted by cvxjet:

.....They would party Friday and Saturday night and then come Sunday morning dress in white sweaters and sit in church asking for forgiveness.....That seemed kind of Hypocritical.

3) And a modification of #2; Is God actually Limited to TIME like we are? Maybe he doesn't have to follow a clock...He created the Universe, past, present and Future all at once......




Some thoughts.

I believe humans fail regularly, and thus cannot be used to measure the truth of the Bible or God. Except in their attempts and failures of course.

I believe being omnipresent does mean not bound by time.

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williegoat DEC 28, 01:15 PM
Time is just another dimension. A dimension in which we are destined to travel in only one direction. God is not so limited.

God gave us free will, the great gift of freedom, including freedom to do evil. In order to eliminate human suffering, he would have to rescind that great gift. Now, apply that concept to government.
cvxjet DEC 28, 01:37 PM

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Originally posted by 2.5:


Some thoughts.

I believe humans fail regularly, and thus cannot be used to measure the truth of the Bible or God. Except in their attempts and failures of course.

I believe being omnipresent does mean not bound by time.




A) When I was young I (Of Course) saw everything as Black & White...So I saw them doing things that went against their religious beliefs and saw it as being Hypocritical.....I now see it differently- But part of my journey was meeting those Mormons and seeing how penitent they were...I am, simply put, on a long journey of learning...some day I will get to my.....destination......




B) I think that the whole 6000 years vs 15 billion year thing is just used by (False prophets) to garner power- we should keep an open mind and have some flexibility for our fellow humans...."What is the real answer?" If you know all of the answers, then you are probably the Creator!

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2.5 DEC 28, 01:42 PM

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Originally posted by cvxjet:

I think that the whole 6000 years vs 15 billion year thing is just used by (False prophets) to garner power- we should keep an open mind and have some flexibility for our fellow humans...."What is the real answer?" If you know all of the answers, then you are probably the Creator!



Agreed. I also agree with what you said earlier when you mentioned your conversation about not letting humanities failures cause doubt about God.
Also true that Life is a journey.
2.5 DEC 29, 09:41 AM

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Originally posted by Patrick:

From my relatively privileged vantage point, I can't accept that a loving God would permit human beings to exist in such squalid conditions. Why allow the misery, if One is all powerful?





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Originally posted by Patrick:

I don't have a problem with people seeking comfort with religion, as long as it doesn't impinge upon my own life... or upon others who wish to be left alone.

IMO, it's respect that needs to be a universal concept... given as well as expected.




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Originally posted by williegoat:

God gave us free will, the great gift of freedom, including freedom to do evil. In order to eliminate human suffering, he would have to rescind that great gift..




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Originally posted by 2.5:

Humans issue is many times choosing places where they wish God would step in and others where they wish he would stay out.




Sometimes just quoting responses in certain order reveals insight.
Jonesy JAN 02, 12:00 PM
Do i believe in a "god" christian or otherwise.. No. I believe the majority of organized religions are B.S. and are corrupt.. Not necessarily the people who believe in said religions, but those that run them. Fear of eternal suffering and damnation is a good tool to control a populous..

Now do i believe there could have been a "creator" of our species? I am open to that possibility. The universe is a very big place, who's to say there isn't a much more advanced species out there that likes doing some genetic tinkering..

Something like the "Celestials" from Marvel comic books. Super ancient and advanced super species that travels the cosmos planting the seeds of life on suitable planets as experiments, and seeing what they can come up with..

Then there are all kinds of scientific theories about how life may have started here on Earth. Some say the ingredients of life may have been brought here by traveling comets during the earths early creation raining down on the surface bringing water and other things too the planet.

There was one theory that i found enjoyable to read, during earths early days, Mars had a massive asteroid smash into it, blowing off nearly 1/3rd of its mantel off the planet, and a lot of that debris made its way to earth and rained down. Mars has most of the needed ingredients to create life, just not enough water, and the climate is not currently suitable for life, although, during the time of the event, there very well may have been primitive life on Mars.

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sourmash JAN 02, 12:19 PM
The blast that could've struck Mars blew off the atmosphere as well and the water was disbursed into space. Now 'they' are ready to acknowledge that Mars can still even have surface water if it's briny enough. Supposedly a test by one scientist (I think done in the 1970s) confirmed water but NASA said there wasn't and it was corrupted data.