A day that will live in infamy.... (Page 4/4)
blackrams DEC 08, 11:14 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:
I was thinking back to some of these "reads" and "views"... maybe not remembering them as they actually were.



Maybe?

Rams
Boondawg DEC 08, 11:27 PM

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Originally posted by blackrams:


Maybe?




I don't care who you are or where you come from or who you pray to or who you decide to procreate with or the color of your mothers underwear or even who this might happen to be directed at at any given time,...that right there is incredibly funny!

10/10
rinselberg DEC 09, 01:48 PM

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Originally posted by blackrams:

Maybe?

Rams


I was thinking about what I wanted to say about this one-word reaction from "Rams" and I found this:

"In 1945 [and starting months before the atomic bombs were finally used], the Navy secretly handed over 150 warships to Russia for an Invasion of Japan"

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A bit of history you may have not heard about.


Sebastien Roblin for "The National Interest"; September 8, 2018.
https://nationalinterest.or...invasion-japan-30892

So I do think that there was reason for U.S. war planners and strategists to be concerned about the possibility that the USSR was just "days" away from moving to invade the main islands of Japan when the two atomic bombs were used on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Were the U.S. war planners and strategists so concerned? Were they concerned a whole lot about impending military moves against Japan by the USSR, or just a little concerned? Did it factor in any way in the final decision to go ahead with the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and then, a few days later, Nagasaki? In what way did it factor into those "calls"..? Was there a "Go or No Go" discussion in play about whether to use the first of the two atomic bombs? Was there talk of not going ahead on that right away, but trying to induce or coerce Japan into surrendering in some other way--maybe just continuing the U.S. naval blockade of Japan and trying to "starve" the Japanese into their wits?

Those are questions that I cannot speak to. I don't have that much of a grounding in this topic.

Do "you"..?

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maryjane DEC 09, 02:14 PM
You might want to do a bit more research and you will find those "warships" couldn't invade the home island of Japan if they absolutely had to.

The USSR's request to do so was rejected by Truman , but not because Truman was planning The Bomb drops.

However, shortly before the Potsdam Conference, Soviet leadership contemplated mounting an amphibious operation to seize Hokkaido. This invasion was to be initiated about 2 weeks after the Soviets attacked Manchuria. Hence, at the conference, Stalin raised the issue of invading the Japanese Home Islands with President Truman, seeking to gain the President’s approval for the plan. But Truman flatly rejected the request, stating firmly that it conflicted with the agreement reached at Yalta. There would be no Soviet invasion of Japan.

Now, the reason why the Soviets brought up this intention of invading Japan to American leaders was to obtain American assistance and materials needed for such an invasion, in addition to getting official approval.

The US did give Stalin the naval vessels but not until the end of August 1945 which was AFTER The Bombs had been dropped and the Japanese had surrendered.
rinselberg DEC 09, 02:45 PM
I guess that answers the two-word question at the end of my previous message!

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