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| Top Pathologist Claims COVID-19 Is "The Greatest Hoax Ever Perpetrated (Page 4/5) |
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Rickady88GT
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NOV 26, 04:59 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
They accuse people of fat shaming and treat it like bullying/hate speech. |
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I totally understand the emotions of it,..I honestly do. But this covid is so "in our face" that we need to put the thin skin aside and talk about how to keep living a life. We all want to know more about how covid works, but do we even bother to ask how we ourselves are have made us more vulnerable to it? That is outside the typical PPE, but our bodies itself.
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sourmash
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NOV 26, 05:48 PM
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Yeah, there's got to be a medium of agreement somewhere. As long as the system fosters people finding something to be offended about to divide us we're going to be losing lives.
The woman I spoke about would not listen to coworkers encouraging her to take on healthier ways. She would stop talking to them until she forgot about it. Very sweet person, but wouldn't be coached by those who cared about her.
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Rickady88GT
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NOV 26, 07:13 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
Yeah, there's got to be a medium of agreement somewhere. As long as the system fosters people finding something to be offended about to divide us we're going to be losing lives.
The woman I spoke about would not listen to coworkers encouraging her to take on healthier ways. She would stop talking to them until she forgot about it. Very sweet person, but wouldn't be coached by those who cared about her. |
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This may a bit off topic, but I will go there anyway.
The fattest, or more specifically speaking,..... most out of shape people that I work with are the medical staff. Take it for what it is worth, but it is true. The medical staff that I work with are the heaviest of the lot. Not just where I work, but I look around at the hospital staff and at the local health care clinics like dentists office and vision clinics alike. Who is to teach us about personal health better than the people we depend on to take care of our health?
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Hudini
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NOV 26, 07:32 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
Yeah, there's got to be a medium of agreement somewhere. As long as the system fosters people finding something to be offended about to divide us we're going to be losing lives.
The woman I spoke about would not listen to coworkers encouraging her to take on healthier ways. She would stop talking to them until she forgot about it. Very sweet person, but wouldn't be coached by those who cared about her. |
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She chose the way she lived. Yes you can try to educate her but in the end she died having made her choice long ago. What this thread is about is having the government force you to give up your freedom to choose the way you live. Even knowing this virus kills more older folks especially with comorbidities, she lived and died by her own choices. Dangerous freedom vs safe slavery.
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sourmash
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NOV 26, 07:57 PM
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I get your point but it relates, totally. People are blaming Trump for the situation and calling for more lock downs of everyone using this stuff for a reason.We're still open but it's probably a matter of time now that the Sun is down earlier, temps are changing plus it's the coming of flu season.
A family member has been looking for someone to die to blame Trump for it because he didn't do something soon enough, or something. It took 6 months until she actually could name someone she knew who had contracted it and after 6 months still of waiting it was still Trump's fault. She knew this recently deceased woman intimately and is the one told me about the lack of medical interest by her and still had to be reminded of the personal choices that were made.
Not sure she's connected the dots yet, but this was her coworker. And another of their coworker's mother had just tested positive and makes me wonder if it came to the gone girl through the 3rd girl. The other girl's mother didn't have a big problem from it.
| quote | Originally posted by Rickady88GT:
This may a bit off topic, but I will go there anyway.
The fattest, or more specifically speaking,..... most out of shape people that I work with are the medical staff. Take it for what it is worth, but it is true. The medical staff that I work with are the heaviest of the lot. Not just where I work, but I look around at the hospital staff and at the local health care clinics like dentists office and vision clinics alike. Who is to teach us about personal health better than the people we depend on to take care of our health? |
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Nurses are notoriously heavy duty.
Who was it, the prime minister of Hungary who said to drink vodka and play ice hockey?[This message has been edited by sourmash (edited 11-26-2020).]
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Rickady88GT
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NOV 26, 09:38 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
I get your point but it relates, totally. People are blaming Trump for the situation and calling for more lock downs of everyone using this stuff for a reason.We're still open but it's probably a matter of time now that the Sun is down earlier, temps are changing plus it's the coming of flu season.
A family member has been looking for someone to die to blame Trump for it because he didn't do something soon enough, or something. It took 6 months until she actually could name someone she knew who had contracted it and after 6 months still of waiting it was still Trump's fault. She knew this recently deceased woman intimately and is the one told me about the lack of medical interest by her and still had to be reminded of the personal choices that were made.
Not sure she's connected the dots yet, but this was her coworker. And another of their coworker's mother had just tested positive and makes me wonder if it came to the gone girl through the 3rd girl. The other girl's mother didn't have a big problem from it.
Nurses are notoriously heavy duty.
Who was it, the prime minister of Hungary who said to drink vodka and play ice hockey?
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As ugly as it may be, the truth hurts and it most likely hurts the guilty more so than the "not so" guilty. So if it offends you (whosoever may be reading this) don't look at me or anyone else as a fault, look at yourself first. Then we can move on with an honest conversation about covid.
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Boondawg
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NOV 27, 02:28 PM
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Lazy-thinking is far more of a danger to America than all the other things combined.
| quote | Originally posted by Rickady88GT:
People are forced to wear seatbelts in cars and helmets on motorcycles for the privilege of using them, in the name of safety. |
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People are no more "forced" to wear seat-belts & motorcycle helmets anymore than they are to obey speed limits.
You can choose not to.
Just because suicide is illegal don't mean you can't kill yourself.
| quote | Originally posted by Rickady88GT:
People have argued (unsuccessfully) that drugs should be legal, in the name of personal choice, EVEN in light of knowing that the drug use will affect others. |
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Drugs are not "illegal".
Possessing/using them without "authorized" (government) permission is.
And even then, only partly.
Marijuana possession/use is legal here in spite of it being illegal federally.
Everyone's personal choices can be claimed to "affect" others, from a neighbors ugly tree, to a strangers abortion.
But others "feelings" about it don't trump that persons personal choice.
This recent "argument" that the government can't infringe on one's free-will by mandating that they wear a mask in public is incredibly simple-minded.
The "government" (society, actually) already mandates that you wear "protective gear" when you're in public, even if you don't necessarily need that protection.
It's called clothes.
And it's not even to protect yours or another's health.
It's for other peoples fragile mental comfort.
What you may see as freedom others can see as personally intrusive.
Look, it's simple.
When we all agree to live in a society, we agree to certain rules about how to safely & fairly accomplish that.
For the health & well-being of that society as a whole.
If one doesn't want to oblige societies rules, one can still move to the wilderness.
Social rules may no longer apply, but you still won't be in the clear completely.
Some laws will still apply.
You can't murder.
Or marry your Mother.
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maryjane
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NOV 27, 04:02 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Rickady88GT:
BTW, thank you Don for your sacrifice. Regardless of the things we may disagree on, I want you and others to know that I recognize the sacrifices that have been made for the good of America and it's imperfect people including me, thank you.
For what it is worth, I was not alive during Nam, but my Father served there as well as my neighbors, who both husband and wife served in
Guantanimo. The stories are crazy and intriguing.
I am a Navy brat. My Father served 20 years and I grew up basically Fatherless as he was deployed for much of my childhood. Sacrifices, yes you have made them, and others have too in their own ways.
Covid ain't Sh** and the both of us know it. MUCH worse can and will happen to America. |
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On the contrary, covid's protocols ain't **** compared to what many in the world have experienced in other times and events, but Covid the disease and it's direct health effects has the very real potential to eclipse anything that's ever taken place in my lifetime and even in the lifetime of my oldest living family member..
It has already killed more people in the US in 11 months than the Vietnam War combat deaths did in 10 years.
It has killed more people in the US than the Korean War combat deaths did in 3 years.
It has killed more people in the US than WW1 combat deaths did.
It has killed more people in the US than WW2 combat deaths did & is on track, to within another year, surpass the number of US WW2 all causes deaths.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...ry_casualties_of_war
https://www.nationalww2muse...-us-military-numbers
https://www.worldometers.in...onavirus/country/us/
Feel free to prove wrong those stats.[This message has been edited by maryjane (edited 11-27-2020).]
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blackrams
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NOV 27, 04:16 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
On the contrary, covid's protocols ain't **** compared to what many in the world have experienced in other times and events, but Covid the disease and it's direct health effects has the very real potential to eclipse anything that's ever taken place in my lifetime and even in the lifetime of my oldest living family member..
It has already killed more people in the US in 11 months than the Vietnam War combat deaths did in 10 years.
It has killed more people in the US than the Korean War combat deaths did in 3 years.
It has killed more people in the US than WW1 combat deaths did.
It has killed more people in the US than WW2 combat deaths did & is on track, to within another year, surpass the number of US WW2 all causes deaths.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...ry_casualties_of_war
https://www.nationalww2muse...-us-military-numbers
https://www.worldometers.in...onavirus/country/us/
Feel free to prove wrong those stats.
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While I'm much in agreement with maryjane, what I think is important to point out is that the numbers are skewed IMO. A huge number of people have died with COVID 19, not of COVID 19. But regardless of the percentage of that smaller group to the whole, the fact is, exposure to anyone with a lessor immune system is likely to result in death. The CDC has released numbers indicating the survival rate is actually very high for those with good immune systems. But, who really wants to go through that. Heck, I don't even want to catch a cold much less the flu or, COVID 19.
Rams
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Notorio
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NOV 27, 06:18 PM
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I don't disagree with Maryjane's comparison based on the 270,000 number but I do want to toss in some data the way I think Covid19 deaths should be discussed, namely, as Deaths per Million. Here is a screen shot of a table on Statista.com, a subscription service (but if you are interested you can see all 150 country's data on there for free.) My point is that the USA is currently pushing 11th place on the list. The safest place to be is Burundi, with only 1 Covid19 death and the worst place to be is Belgium. Unfortunately, night-after-night all we ever get shown on the news programs are the absolute deaths which make the USA look to be the worst place to be.
Now there are a couple of points that I think it will take a LONG time for science historians and epidemiologists to slice out of the data:
1) What determines a 'Covid19 Death' is not being calculated the same in all countries, even within countries like the USA. For example, if I die of covid the normal rules for death certificates would probably list my Heart Disease as the 'primary' cause of death and the covid as the 'secondary' cause. This is because that reflects that my underlying health problem made me easy pickings for the opportunistic virus. Now, I know a medical professional who has told me that in California at least my death certificate would probably state Covid as the 'primary' cause because the hospital would get more money that way. So the lack of uniform standards world wide (or even county wide) and the degree to which standards were followed (or not followed) will take some unraveling in the future.
2) Someone has mentioned in all the responses that the USA does not have a very healthy population compared with many other countries with many citizens suffering from overweight-related medical conditions. Since US deaths per million are more or less in the Top 10, this really does seem to highlight our general susceptibility to what's going around. This seems like it should be a Key Takeaway for health officials going forward. Why IS the US population so unhealthy? I would love to see the Surgeon General really tackle that issue and develop strategies to incentivise healthy living. (But no, I would not favor forced compliance a la extreme Left pipe dreams ...)
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