Pandemic Ponderings... (Page 4/11)
blackrams OCT 28, 03:24 PM

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Originally posted by williegoat:

OK, so...
Bars are shut down and grocery stores are open. I wonder if anyone has done a study to see if grocery clerks are dying at a higher rate than bartenders.
(this is a real question, I'm not trying to be funny)




I was recently in a bar, I don't do that very often but, we got rained out and it was a place to get something to eat. There was a live band with several folks dancing and having a good time. The food was pretty good. The problem was, the music was so loud, you had to be close to each other just to be heard. That was true of when my friends and I spoke to each other and when we ordered from a very attractive waitress. From my observations, only the three people I was with were ever wearing masks.

I don't go to the grocery store very often but, when I do, just about everyone is wearing a mask.

Personally, I consider a mask just like an engine oil filter. That oil filter doesn't catch all of the contaminates but, it catches some, (both incoming and out going). For the sake of this debate, let's say that filter catches 50% of the contaminates. Makes sense to me that (in general terms) your engine is getting 50% less contaminates and thusly, reduced engine wear. Well, that mask is simply filtering the air we breath (both in and out). It is reducing the amount of virus that might get into and out of your body. Combine that "filter" with social distancing and sanitary hand washing, you are reducing your chances of sharing or contracting COVID 19. Is it 100% effective, no. Unless you're wearing a positive pressure air supply mask with eye protection, you still run a risk. Would you run that engine without an oil filter?

Being the person that I am, I'm pretty good about social distancing. I don't like wearing a mask either but do so as required whether in a grocery store or a bar.

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Rams
Intelligent people speak because they have something to say, fools speak because they have to say something. Consider that before telling anyone what's on your mind.


My wife told me to grow up. I told her to get out of my fort!

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Patrick OCT 28, 03:41 PM

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Originally posted by cliffw:

I think you are making it up !



Of course... it's all a big lie. The world has conspired to try and fool cliffw... but he's just too damn clever to fall for it.
Patrick OCT 28, 03:47 PM

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Originally posted by blackrams:

The problem was, the music was so loud, you had to be close to each other just to be heard.



You bring up a very good point. Combine that with alcohol which helps to disinhibit people, and you've now got "chummy" people talking up a storm within close confines. A recipe for disaster in this COVID-19 era.


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Originally posted by Patrick:

Contact tracing clearly shows that COVID-19 infections among people frequenting bars and nightclubs are much higher than among patrons of grocery stores and even restaurants... and this is why bars and nightclubs are now closed and grocery stores and restaurants are currently open (in BC).


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cliffw OCT 28, 04:14 PM

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Originally posted by cliffw:
I think you are making it up !




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Originally posted by Patrick:
Of course... it's all a big lie. The world has conspired to try and fool cliffw... but he's just too damn clever to fall for it.



Of course ... you still did not answer the question.
Patrick OCT 28, 04:43 PM

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Originally posted by cliffw:

...you still did not answer the question.



It's not answers you seek. You simply enjoy being contrary.
cliffw OCT 28, 04:51 PM

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Originally posted by Patrick:
It's not answers you seek. You simply enjoy being contrary.



And you simply are talking zhit.

Make a claim, back it up.
MidEngineManiac OCT 28, 04:52 PM
https://cw.ua.edu/65524/top...own-set-of-problems/

Personally, I just dont wanna deal with the hasel and fights anymore. The past month ("second wave") I find I am ordering online a lot more and when I do go shopping I combine stops to minimize "problem time" (Where in the summer I might go to the drug store, grocery store, clothing store, department store and hardware store on a day out-trip (once very 2 weeks) I now hit walmart to get the bulk in one stop and get the rest delivered. Dont care if it costs a few bucks more or comes from Cheena and not locally...I just aint dealing with the people over it anymore.
maryjane OCT 28, 04:57 PM

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Originally posted by cliffw:

I will say it again. My wife had Covid. I never got it and I never wore a mask around her. The same with another in our family unit.
I think you are making it up !


Well, when she self isolates, and family members for the most part stay away from her, she doesn't have to wear a mask all the time.

From:
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...HTML/125321.html#p24

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Originally posted by cliffw:Self restricted to our bedroom. Yes, I am sleeping on the couch, . I stick my head in the room once in a while for a quick 'visit' / chat, and she scolds me. She calls me and says she misses me. We are burning up our phones talking.



I feel you still do not understand the importance or even the function of wearing a mask. I am not one bit surprised that neither you nor the other family member got it, as your wife did what she was supposed to..by your own account, she stayed away from you 2 as much as possiblke and you stayed away from her.

Masks have, for over a century, been worn by nurses and docttors and especially surgeons. This proven protocol is to help prevent the spread of disease between patients by those medical people. The surgeon does not wear the mask, gown, and gloves to protect himself ..he wears it to prevent HIM from transmitting pathogens TO the patient.
The covid patient would either wear a mask to prevent them from spreading contagion to others, or isolate themselves from others. Others (including general public) even if asymptomatic, wear a mask to help prevent them from unknowingly spread the virus to others.
(this has all been explained numerous times, and I really don't know why I bother doing it yet again)
Masks only very minimally protect the wearer from Covid, depending what type mask they have.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronav...-cover-guidance.html

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Patrick OCT 28, 05:05 PM

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Originally posted by cliffw:

Make a claim, back it up.



Would that convince you? Of course not. I don't know why Don/maryjane continues to try and convince you of anything. He's apparently much more forgiving and patient than I am!
maryjane OCT 28, 06:20 PM
Regarding the bars and restrictions on hours or # of customers allowed...


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“We want to let the bars earn a living, but we have to tell them how to run their business in a lower-risk fashion,” says Schaffner. Two fewer hours of a bar being open, in other words, are two fewer hours that coronavirus can spread. Not to mention, the longer that a bar stays open, the riskier things become. “The sense is that the later you’re there, the more casual your behavior is likely to be,” he says.

Yahoo Life Medical Contributor Dr. Dara Kass elaborates. “What do people do at night that they don’t do during the day? They drink. What happens when you drink? Well, first of all, your mask is off; second of all, you behave less responsibly,” says Kass. “People don’t generally drink at 9 in the morning.”



(it's always 5pm somewhere... )

But the whole issue is responsibility. Some take it more seriously than others.