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| Town Hall Meetings What's your choice? (Page 4/9) |
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olejoedad
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OCT 16, 02:48 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Synthesis: Now THIS is the type of discussion I can respect. Thank you for providing a well-reasoned list of questions to discuss this openly. Please see my answers above.
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Thanks for your comments, but I was just pointing out that there are many reasons people vote - the list I posted is far from complete.
The point is, each person should weigh carefully the reasons they want to vote and their choices in candidates.
I suspect that there isn't enough of that mental deliberation happening with the entire voting populace.
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Synthesis
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OCT 16, 02:51 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
I suspect that there isn't enough of that mental deliberation happening with the entire voting populace. |
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Ain't that the truth.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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OCT 16, 03:14 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Synthesis:
If you support Trump, you are by proxy everything he is. That is all there is to it. This is no longer conservatism vs liberalism or left vs right. This is the heart and soul of our nation being led by a con man that is actively aiding and abetting a foreign power to undermine fair and equal elections, (I can provide you literally 137 other links, counted, verified, backed up with empirical data, and I know you won't read them) and you are actively working to ensure the death of our republic by doing so.
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Hi Synthesis... I probably won't be able to convince you one way or another. But, I have educated myself. I've been educating myself for a long time. On that matter, I used to be a Democrat... I was for a long time, but ultimately slowly started voting Republican, and recently voted straight-ticket Republican.
I'd suggest that most of the "facts" that are being stated in your links, are merely misrepresentations of certain things said.
But on the racism thing, this is something that I've found very frustrating, particularly because I feel it is very much hypocrisy considering the history of the Democrat party, including even the most recent history of the Democrat party. I'd ask only one thing from you, and that is to watch this video... because it simply says what I already know / believe, much better than I'm able to convey. It would mean a lot to me if you would watch it, primarily because I believe this statement is nothing more than a "dog whistle" for Democrats, and does nothing to move this country forward. We can all agree to disagree on the "right way" about achieving the same goals (which ultimately we all do), but that last item I need to dispel. Please watch the video:
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blackrams
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OCT 16, 03:36 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Synthesis:
Ahhh. There's the name calling I fully expected... The refrains of "leeeeeeffffttttiiiiisssstttt" from people I no longer respect because they are so busy being a five year old with puerile name-calling. (pu-er-ile, adjective, childishly silly and trivial.)
Educate yourself. If you support Trump, you are, by proxy, endorsing EVERYTHING he does. The misogyny, the fraud, the lies, the lies, the lies, the lies, the lies, the racism...
If you support Trump, you are by proxy everything he is. That is all there is to it. This is no longer conservatism vs liberalism or left vs right. This is the heart and soul of our nation being led by a con man that is actively aiding and abetting a foreign power to undermine fair and equal elections, (I can provide you literally 137 other links, counted, verified, backed up with empirical data, and I know you won't read them) and you are actively working to ensure the death of our republic by doing so.
I do not care if YOU are conservative in your head. Good for you, I am proud to support your view points as a fellow citizen of this once great country. But your actions leave a lot to be desired. Your actions of supporting a person who practices the behavior above really shows me where you lay in your ethical standing. You are so busy trying to own the libs that you don't care who you hurt in the process.
Let me phrase this in evangelical terms so you can understand it... "That Satan guy is horrible, yes, but if he hadn't given us the apple we'd never know... So he can't be that bad, right?"
I am done giving a ****. A stupid ****ing idiot who decided his mask fashion was more important than my safety tried to kill me with coronavirus, ignoring my requests to stay distant from me while I was in the midst of helping save his job and all of his co-workers. He expressed his +Trump views to me every chance he got. I am done with the ignorance. Educate yourself before the world educates you.
I know quite a bit about his voting record. I do not agree with a lot of it. But, I can tell you that the strength of a man's character is in his ability to recognize past mistakes, atone for them, and work to correct them. Something Trump is incapable of because he doesn't claim responsibility for anything. His own, exact, words.
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You're offended by the term "Leftist"? I know some that consider that as a compliment. Very confusing. Now, I would be insulted to be called that but, if the definition fits, so be it. I'm a Conservative, I have Conservative values. It's not something I'm necessarily proud or ashamed of but, it does fit my stance/positions.
I find it interesting that you insult the people and condemn the values of anyone who supports President Trump, what this country is and where it's headed and yet fail to consider what such the Liberal agenda Dems are pushing does to this country and those with Conservative values. Let me guess, you supported HRC? Obviously, your stance is anti-Trump. I don't personally care for DJT's personality but have agreed with the direction he has been trying to take this country. We didn't hire him for his personality. Personally, he wasn't my first choice but, I only had one vote. You condemn those supporting President Trump and yet say nothing of the unethical Democratic attempts to remove him from power through accusations, investigations and pure lies. Or, do you support the removal/coup of a President legally elected?
You support former VP Biden's character and to those on the other side of the aisle, that's one of his biggest issues. He changes values more than the wind changes directions, yeah that's character. His recognition of "past mistakes" seems to only serve to win over those he may have pissed off previously. Most of "us" aren't and don't support President Trump in many ways but do support the direction he is trying to take this country.
Your recent virus infection and how you were infected has little if anything to do with President Trump and yet, you seem to blame him. You don't seem to think a Biden supporter could have infected you........ Does the political affiliation of the person who shared his virus with you really matter? I don't happen to agree with DJT on the masking issue but, we all have a right to make such decisions. That's why I avoid (as much as possible) those who refuse to mask. And, I don't even know their political affiliation or who they are supporting. You're welcome to your position but, that doesn't mean you're right.
"If you support Trump, you are by proxy everything he is. That is all there is to it." Words to live and die by. As Mitch McConnell told Harry Reid when Majority Leader Reid was killing the filibuster, "You'll regret this and you may regret this a lot sooner than you think.". Apply that to recent and soon to be confirmed SCOTUS jurists. Had Harry left the filibuster in play, at least two of Trump's nominees may not have been confirmed.
Boonie and yourself are obviously Trump Haters, that's alright, you're welcome to your opinions. But, thinking that anyone is going to change their mind based on what they read on a car forum is ridiculous. Your nor Boonie's post did anything to change my mind, did I change yours? But, one would not really expect to change other's opinion here would they? It's more likely they, we, I and you use this forum to mostly vent.
I hope you feel better now that you got that out of your system, I sure do. Have a safe day. 
Edited: Oh yeah, one other question. Why is it that former VP Biden and Senator Harris refuse to answer the question about Court Packing in your opinion. I would suggest that Biden's recent statement where he said he was not a fan of court packing but would announce his stance before the election but after the Republications do their nomination thing is totally based on him not wanting to piss off Progressive and Liberal voters who are already putting their votes in the mail. I don't think (my opinion) he believes the courts should be packed but, doesn't want his potential voters to vote on that. Then again, with his changing values, that could change with a snap of the Soros fingers.
BTW, tell me again how he didn't influence Hunter's corporate wealth. Yeah, that's character alright.
| quote | Originally posted by Synthesis:
Edit: I told you I am done giving a crap about keeping things civil. By voting for Trump, you are endorsing the worst a person can be and doing so gleefully.
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Edit II: Ya git what you give around here. Just remember, Cliff is enforcing rules now. Would hate to see you leave us.
Rams[This message has been edited by blackrams (edited 10-16-2020).]
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rinselberg
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OCT 16, 03:59 PM
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"Leftist" is not on the same level as "Conservative", in so far as the temperament or attitude that accompanies these words.
"Liberal" or "Progressive" are in the same group of words as "Conservative." But not "Leftist." Not when words are Venn-diagrammed or organized on the basis of their underlying temperament, attitude, connotation or "color."
There really isn't a commonly understood counter-word to "Leftist." There's "Rightist" but hardly anyone ever says that. There's "Reactionary" and I wouldn't hesitate to use "Reactionary" to describe some of the messages that appear on this forum every day or nearly every day. Is that the most accurate selection of a counter-word for "Leftist"..?
"Reactionary" is extra strength, compared to "Conservative", but in the subset of the universe that is comprised by this (Pennock's) forum, I think there's a solid case for it. Because of the way that "Leftist" gets tossed around on this forum with an abundance that blends into abandon.
Does anyone else look at this matter of terminology as I am seeing it?
What would be the most equivalent counter-word to "Leftist", from the other side of the aisle..?[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 10-16-2020).]
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blackrams
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OCT 16, 04:06 PM
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leftist [ˈleftəst] NOUN a person with left-wing political views. "these values are shared by many leftists" · [more] ADJECTIVE having or relating to left-wing political views. "leftist radicals"
https://www.bing.com/search...NNTA1&DAF1=1&PC=LCTS
So, unless the dictionary folks make another overnight switcheroo, that's what I'm going with. 
Rams
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rinselberg
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OCT 16, 04:11 PM
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rightist
- a person who supports the political views or policies of the right.
- supporting or relating to the political views or policies of the right.
https://www.bing.com/search...16254&FORM=QBRE&sp=1
When's the last time (if ever) that anyone has seen or heard the word "rightist"..? Not counting this message.  [This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 10-16-2020).]
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Synthesis
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OCT 16, 04:25 PM
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I don't blame Trump for my Covid infection. I blame the Trumpist who clearly objected over me asking him to respect my space. I have yet to meet anyone on the Democrat side that would push back against my desire to maintain social distancing. He made it very clear to me that the virus was not real, and would not wear a mask or respect distancing with me. This has been my experience overall with hard right-wing people who have chosen to politicize the virus and mask wearing. I apologize if the context was missing in my statement. That is solely what I meant with regards to the infection.
We can discuss court packing. That's exactly what the Republican party is doing right now. Exactly that. Forcing a very unqualified individual through, in an election year, after clearly stating that doing so during an election year is not something they support or would ever allow.
The way the term "leftist" is thrown around in here is very clearly meant to be with vitriol and hate... That's why I have an issue with the way people in here use it... You use it to define me and narrow your view of me. "Chris is a great guy who does a lot of good for people... But he's a leftist, and that's all you need to know about him..." is the way it comes across when you refer to people who don't appreciate the world view of Trump or his supporters as "leftist"...
I too can throw literal definitions out, but that doesn't mean that the word hasn't been conscripted by the right-wing ideologists in here to mean something hurtful and/or hateful.
I am not a leftist. I am a person who disagrees with your political view on Trump. He is a hate-filled, spiteful lying sack of **** , and if you vote for one aspect of his "character", you are endorsing the entire character.
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williegoat
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OCT 16, 04:33 PM
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Liberal, progressive and leftist are not synonymous. Liberal and progressive, as applied to politics are within the leftist spectrum.
I like progressive jazz and liberal use of hot sauce. I sit on the left side of my car, but I don't generally agree with leftist politics.
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LitebulbwithaFiero
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OCT 16, 04:46 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Synthesis:
We can discuss court packing. That's exactly what the Republican party is doing right now. Exactly that. Forcing a very unqualified individual through, in an election year, after clearly stating that doing so during an election year is not something they support or would ever allow.
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Filling an empty seat is not court packing.
Creating more seats and filling them to change the bias of the court is court packing.
We the people should not have a problem with a President doing his duty to fill an empty seat in The Supreme Court.
We the people should havd a problem with a President changing statutes in order to sway the bias in there favor.
I am not a big brain- bias may not be the besy term, but it is the best yerm I could come up with.
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