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maryjane
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SEP 05, 12:15 AM
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rinselberg
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SEP 05, 12:22 AM
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A former assistant district attorney who was involved in a 2017 investigation into suspected Mail-In Voter fraud in Dallas County has just called out U.S. Attorney General William Barr for misrepresenting the facts of the case.
"No, a Texas man was not indicted for filling out 1,700 mail-in ballots, despite what Attorney General William Barr said"
| quote | | The case at issue stems from a 2017 investigation into suspected mail-in voter fraud in Dallas County. |
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| quote | | Kerri Kupec, a [U.S.] Justice Department spokeswoman, said in a statement: “Prior to his interview, the Attorney General [William Barr] was provided a memo prepared within the Department that contained an inaccurate summary about the case which he relied upon when using the case as an example.” |
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Matt Zapotosky for the Washington Post; republished in the Texas Tribune; September 4, 2020.
https://www.texastribune.or...barr-mail-in-voting/
MSNBC play-by-play broadcaster Ari Melber and color commentator and former U.S. federal prosecutor John Flannery have the call. The YouTube video concierge picks up the action at 22 minutes and 50 seconds after the start of the broadcast.
https://youtu.be/Ij7_MDZTMg0?t=1370
With all of the focus on Mail-In Ballots from Trump World, I have to wonder what might be about to go down in terms of In Person voting on November 3, 2020. Is it going to be (un)surprisingly difficult for voters in certain neighborhoods to cast their vote in person without undertaking something of an epic travel journey to get to a voting station?
Just something that the Trump supporters here might want to think about.
I will be transparent, in that I cannot say that I have researched this topic in any depth.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 09-05-2020).]
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maryjane
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SEP 05, 12:35 AM
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williegoat
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SEP 05, 12:42 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
I will be transparent, in that I cannot say that I have researched this topic in any depth.
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Barr gives false recounting of Texas voter fraud case in effort to cast doubt on mail-in voting
| quote | Twenty-eight-year-old Miguel Hernandez was eventually found guilty in the investigation for forging a voter's signature on a mail-in ballot he returned. Chatham described Hernandez as the "fall guy" in the scam, being paid by a still-unknown consultant to contact individuals who had received mail-in ballots and return them so they could potentially be tampered with.
"He violated the law but not for voting, it was for procuring mail-in ballots under false pretenses," Chatham said. "The other thing that Barr got very wrong about the case is that we knew about this thing before it even happened, and prevented any potentially fraudulent ballots from being cast."
"It was a tremendous success story for the office," Chatham added. |
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Merely a matter of semantics.
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rinselberg
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SEP 05, 01:00 AM
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William Barr was so emphatic with his voice and body language about this Mail-In Voter fraud investigation (for a city council election), but he did not provide an accurate summary of the case.
AG Barr, hardly a "Clarence Darrow" in terms of swaying my opinion, with that fairly lame attempt (from Barr) at making his case against Mail-In Ballots.
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blackrams
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SEP 05, 01:06 AM
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I understand your point and your position (I think).
But knowing the huge potential for voter fraud and what's at stake, I can only voice my opinion on the best course of action.
I still have yet to be shown why a registered US Citizen can't vote via Absentee Ballot.
Explain to me why the Democrats (of which I am one) want to force the mail in ballot issue now with so little time for states that do not have that system in place to force the issue.
Again, I'll state that I have no issues with putting a nation wide mail in system in place (obviously under the control of each state in that states control elections for the most part) but, do it with some thought and deliberation. Put it in place and test the waters during primaries and off year elections to get it right and figure out a way to verify the vote.
Rams
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Boondawg
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SEP 05, 02:53 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
Next thing ya know, someone will claim the other side is engaged in some bizarre cult of child abuse in the back rooms of a Washington DC pizza joint..oh..wait.
Or that man has never landed on the moon...oh wait.
Or that Covid19 is a complete fraud and doesn't really exist..oh wait.
Or that Trump stole the election with help from the Russians..oh wait.
Or that Covid19 is caused by 5G..oh wait.
Or that Covid19 is 'just the flu'..oh wait.
Or that 94% of of the Covid deaths weren't really caused by Covid19..oh wait.
Or that the most recent actor to play in a Batman movie got it from playing with bats in a movie set batcave..oh wait.
Or that there really is a 100% effective cure for all cancers but "big pharma' bought it up decades ago and is hiding it...oh wait.
Or that 'big oil' bought up the rights to a carburetor that made an engine get 300MPG..oh wait.
That aliens capable of traveling interstellar space at or above light speed are coming here just to gut a few cows..oh wait.
The gullibility of certain demographics never ceases to amaze me.
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Exactly.
Wanting something to be true don’t make it so.
Aside from falsely inflating the ego, Inventing enemies is a useless endeavor.
It seems some are not complete without unseen lurking shadows around every corner.
EDIT: My favorite phrase these days is “The potental for...” being used as if the result is already a given.
Everything has “potential”.
It ain’t what it is until it’s what it is.  [This message has been edited by Boondawg (edited 09-05-2020).]
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blackrams
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SEP 06, 10:05 AM
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Well, here's just one example:
It has been determined more than 3,000 ballots have not been counted in Franklin after more boxes of ballots are found.
https://www.milforddailynew...of-ballots-are-found
With the huge numbers of votes expected, I can easily see truck loads of votes being put in all kinds of places since they are to be counted on election day (hopefully, all will get counted) in most states. Yeah, this should work out real well.  Hopefully we'll have a full accounting by Jan 20th of next year regardless of who is determined to be the winner.
Yeah, this is going to be one huge Cluster ****.
According to NBC Today Show this morning (a very liberal show), it took NY 42 days to get all it's votes counted. Other states were also stated but, I didn't get them all down.
Is timely counting important, I guess that depends on your perspective. Local races are also affected by this. Meet the Press also brought up the issue of those who vote by mail and then go vote in person. Yes, there are limits on how many times you can vote and there are (supposedly) measures in place to catch such fraud but, such double checks will most surely slow the end results. Absentee ballots included, just adds to the problem but, that's been an acceptable way to vote when you can't get to the voting booth. Pandora's Box is about to be opened and no one can say how this will end. It's so easy to go vote in person, why not. 
Rams[This message has been edited by blackrams (edited 09-06-2020).]
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fierofool
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SEP 06, 11:53 AM
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My wife and I moved from Massachusetts in 1976, living in Rhode Island for a couple of years before moving to Georgia. We voted in both states when we lived in them.
We have been regular voters since returning to Georgia. My wife passed in 2018. Yesterday, her email that is still in use because it is tagged to several accounts, received a notice for her to request her mail-in ballot for Massachusetts. We didn't even have email or internet in those days we lived there.
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williegoat
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SEP 06, 01:20 PM
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An article from three years ago: At least 3.5 million more people are on U.S. election rolls than are eligible to vote.
| quote | My tabulation of Judicial Watch’s state-by-state results yielded 462 counties where the registration rate exceeded 100 percent. There were 3,551,760 more people registered to vote than adult U.S. citizens who inhabit these counties.
“That’s enough over-registered voters to populate a ghost-state about the size of Connecticut,” Judicial Watch attorney Robert Popper told me. |
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| quote | Washington’s Clark County is worrisome, given its 154 percent registration rate. This includes 166,811 ghost voters. Georgia’s Fulton County seems less nettlesome at 108 percent registration, except for the number of Greater Atlantans, 53,172, who compose that figure.
But California’s San Diego County earns the enchilada grande. Its 138 percent registration translates into 810,966 ghost voters. Los Angeles County’s 112 percent rate equals 707,475 over-registrations. |
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Of course some will say that there have been no convictions, therefore no fraud. Again, I guess that makes me a crazy conspiracy theorist.[This message has been edited by williegoat (edited 09-06-2020).]
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