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82-T/A [At Work]
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MAR 04, 10:28 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by jmbishop:
The 2a is one of the top issues people who value it consider when voting.
And yes, bumpstocks are a huge deal, it's 100% anti 2a, if you don't get it, you don't understand the 2a. Admittedly, the bumpstock is a gimmick, but it sets the wrong precident, one that opens the door for more and more regulation as is did in the past. Any new regulation is unacceptable unless we are making ground with deregulation.
So if trump is going to trample the 2a, that's a huge part of his core voters gone. If the democrats were smart enough to put up a pro 2a candidate (they aren't), they'd mop the floor with trump.
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JM, it's obvious to me that you didn't get past the first sentence in my response to you. If you had, you'd understand that I do "get it."
At the risk of repeating everything I typed above, I'd just say you should re-read it (or read it for the first time, as the case would be). Trump's comments are being grossly misinterpreted... of course, and you've fallen for it.
Bump stock ban... really? You're bothered by this? This is a "quick win," whether you're looking at this from the political "team sports" perspective, or reducing division in our politics. No one is hurt by this except the people who make them. Have you ever fired a fully automatic rifle? I hope you understand how absurd the bump stock alternative is. It literally jiggles the body of the gun back and forth from the stock... I mean, it's such a garbage device that anyone who buys one thinking it's cool, should be mocked in a public square for their stupidity.
The fully automatic weapons ban was passed in 1986 by Ronald Reagan, with the blessing of the NRA President. A bump stock attempts to violate this law, so it should be no surprise that it's being banned by our populist / moderate president.
Would you have preferred someone like Mitt Romney? Or maybe John McCain? ... our last two presidential picks?
Again, we all know what personal gun ownership is for. It's to keep the government honest. But please... stop being a whiney baby. We dodged the proverbial bullet, and Trump is making ENORMOUS positive change in this country the likes of which the past nearly 3 decades of presidents haven't done. You don't have to like everything Trump is doing, but your attitude to this is down-right immature and ridiculous.
Get your **** together and stop freaking out.
| quote | Originally posted by randye:
As I said earlier:
"The Right takes what Donald Trump says seriously but not literally. The Left takes everything Donald Trump says literally but not seriously."
In this instance it's notable that it was, once AGAIN, the media that wants everyone to take the President's off-the-cuff' words literally.
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You are so right... I'd give you another positive but I can't![This message has been edited by 82-T/A [At Work] (edited 03-04-2018).]
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jmbishop
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MAR 04, 10:05 PM
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Please continue this explination of what I've fallen for? Bumbstocks, the 2a and the comments about due process are what I've commented on, did those things not happen and I fell for it?
This kind of tribalism is the same tribalism that's sinking the left, it will eventually destroy the right just the same.[This message has been edited by jmbishop (edited 12-02-2021).]
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randye
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MAR 05, 12:36 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by jmbishop:
Please continue this explication of what I've fallen for? Bumbstocks, the 2a and the comments about due process are what I've commented on, did those things not happen and I fell for it?
This kind of tribalism is the same tribalism that's sinking the left, it will eventually destroy the right just the same. |
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WOW brother! Slow your roll.
We are all with you on this but we need to focus on what's real and what is actually done and not on words.
The truth is that "Bumbstocks" (I like that word you used better...), are just somebody's wink-and-a-nod, not so clever, effort to try to get around the automatic weapons, NFA LAW of 1934 that bans all *automatic* weapons from private hands without special exemptions.
That law is 84 YEARS old my friend. We've been fine since then and in fact things are much better now than when the Clinton "assault weapons ban" of 1994 was alive.
I have 2 fully automatic weapons that are "Type 3 / ATF Form 4" registered legal. I never once have considered the bureaucratic hoops and expense I had to go through as any infringement on my Constitutional right.
I also know how to, and have the capability to, convert many of the semiautomatic weapons I have over to fully automatic. That would presently be illegal.
Once again I don't see that as an infringement on my right.
If you look back carefully, you will see that there is a difference between what the President says off-the-cuff and what he DOES.
Take a deep breath, RELAX, and "keep your powder dry" for real battles, not the imaginary ones the media tries to stir up.
The "never Trump" crowd and the leftie media have been chanting all along: "Trump is gonna betray you, just wait, he's gonna betray you!"
They do that to stir up distrust and division.
It hasn't happened and I don't believe it will.[This message has been edited by randye (edited 03-05-2018).]
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jmbishop
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MAR 05, 10:01 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by randye:
WOW brother! Slow your roll.
Once again I don't see that as an infringement on my right.
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What role? Also, just because you're either fine with your rights being taken or you're ignorant to you're rights being taken doesn't mean anything to me or anyone else interested in the having the rights intended to be given by the 2a.
I'm finding it hilarious people take well deserved skepticism of Trump as inflammatory, this only supports my claim of tribalism.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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MAR 05, 05:14 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by jmbishop:
What role? Also, just because you're either fine with your rights being taken or you're ignorant to you're rights being taken doesn't mean anything to me or anyone else interested in the having the rights intended to be given by the 2a.
I'm finding it hilarious people take well deserved skepticism of Trump as inflammatory, this only supports my claim of tribalism.
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I'm going to start calling you Bill Kristol. Seriously Jim... seriously... I cannot believe you are falling for all of this drama. Did you even listen to or watch Trump's Gun / Mental health discussion? Serious question... I'm asking, did you even watch it?
Because I did... and not even at one point did I interpret what he was saying in the manner that you are perceiving it.
When Trump DOESN'T take your rights away, are you going to apologize to everyone here?
EDIT: Oh, and please explain to me what "tribe" it is you think that I'm a part of?[This message has been edited by 82-T/A [At Work] (edited 03-05-2018).]
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randye
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MAR 05, 08:15 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by jmbishop:
I'm finding it hilarious people take well deserved skepticism of Trump as inflammatory, this only supports my claim of tribalism.
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I never said it was "inflammatory" at all. Not even close.
What I did say is that it is just *words*. A few words said off-the-cuff at a meeting where people were "spit-balling" ideas. Just tossing around wild, not fully formed, ideas in free wheeling discussion forum.
I watched video of that meeting and honestly that's all I saw. If you want to throw your hands in the air and claim that "all is lost" on the basis of that, ok, but I really think you're being alarmist and premature.
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MAR 06, 10:13 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Raydar:
I don't have a problem with persons under 21 not being able to buy ARs. I sometimes don't think that persons under 21 should be allowed to vote.
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I have a problem with it. I also have a problem with those under 21 not being eligible to vote. If you can serve in the military once an adult, you should be afforded all rights available to any other citizen.
| quote | Originally posted by jmbishop:
The 2A is too big of an issue, ...
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An issue non the less, big on both sides
| quote | Originally posted by jmbishop:
... it goes beyond the 2A when the president openly admits he thinks due process exists if it doesn't come first.
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That is a problem. Violating the Forth Amendment rights in the original Bill of Rights, and the 14th Amendment rights.
| quote | Originally posted by jmbishop:
The 2A is already gone, what we have now is just a shadow. |
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| quote | Originally posted by dennis_6:
Yeah, 2nd was gone as of 1934. ... |
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Reference please ?
To think ... Martha Stuart now is too dangerous to own a gun. As is Michael Flynn. Why do not felons lose their First Amendment rights ? Or any other rights bestowed upon us by our Creator ?
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MAR 06, 11:43 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
Reference please ?
To think ... Martha Stuart now is too dangerous to own a gun. As is Michael Flynn. Why do not felons lose their First Amendment rights ? Or any other rights bestowed upon us by our Creator ?
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My reference was the national firearm act of 1934. Show me how that can be reconciled with the shall not be infringed language of the 2A?
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MAR 07, 03:00 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
So is your concern all the 2A stuff?
Look... totally understand what gun ownership is for. It's not for hunting, it's not for sport, it's not even for self protection. It was given to us for the sole purpose of letting the government know that we have, and will use our guns, should the Government get beyond the scope originally envisioned by our founders. I think any logical or sane person can understand that that's WHY our founders ensured gun ownership.
But Trump... you know, before I even get to that point, I'm just going to lay out that I am a huge fan boy of the guy. Huge.
Ok, with that said... do you really think what Trump is talking about is really violating 2nd amendment? He banned bump stocks... big deal. That's like banning a dildos that are colored a specific hue of purple. No one is going to care except the person who makes them.
The rest of the stuff he's talking about, is just discussions. He hasn't done anything, and quite frankly, I'm not that bothered by some of the things they're concluding. None of this will even matter in the next 20-30 years when laser hand guns (being serious here) are easily available, and any joe schmoe can print or build their own gun anyway.
The Trump quote that everyone is freaking out about is really being taken out of context... it really is. I'd like to ask if anyone here was listening to that entire thing when he had that conversation?
Trump has been one of the most transparent presidents we've had in history. Normally meetings like this do not get televised. I'm really appalled that you guys are freaking out over a single sentence that's being taken out of context, during a bi-partisan discussion that Trump allowed to be televised?
They were talking about Florida's BAKER ACT. Anyone who knows what that is, Florida has the right to detain someone for 3 days to observe them when they believe they are suffering from mental illness and can be a harm to either themselves or others. He then talked about people who are suffering from mental illness and suggested in situations like that, that you should take the guns first. I totally don't have a problem with this.
The rest is simply ridiculous.
Let's look at what Trump has done:
1 - Gotten rid of TPP
2 - DRASTICALLY reduced corporate regulation.
3 - Reduced oil and fracking regulation, and re-opened oil drilling sites, including ANWAR.
4 - Neal Gorsich
5 - Most dramatic corporate tax rate cut in the history of the United States. Make no mistake about it, this isn't going to be raised. Look at the history of corporate tax rate cuts. When they get cut... they maybe get raised 1-3% at most, but it never goes back to what it was. This is here to stay.
6 - Repatriation of corporate overseas funds... more than 4 trillion
7 - We are BEYOND full employment.
8 - Lowest black unemployment in US history.
9 - Lowest Hispanic unemployment in US history.
10 - Most Federal and Appellate judges appointed at this point in a presidency, than any other previous president in history.
11 - Mass deportation of criminally illegal.
12 - Consumer confidence highest in almost 20 years.
... I mean, there's so many more. Deregulation of the medical industry. He allowed insurance to be purchased across state lines. The Democrats wouldn't DARE re-do this... they would never because it would dramatically increase costs.
**** ... I could go on forever... I'd like to say "get the **** out of here with your bull **** ..."
... but really I'd prefer to say, that you need to not allow yourself to be so drawn in by the 24/7 momentary news drama.
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You're "alone" in this as a former Trump supporter. His approval ratings are higher than Obama's were right now. If the election was held right now, he would win with essentially bigger margins than he had originally. |
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That's not what I'm seeing from Gallup.
We are one year and 45 days into Trump's (first) term. Here's what I see:
Trump is upside down, with 39% Approve and 55% Disapprove.
At one year and 45 days into Obama's first term, the O-man was just barely right side up, with 48% Approve and 46% Disapprove.
Gallup Daily: Trump Job Approval
http://news.gallup.com/poll...mp-job-approval.aspx
Gallup Daily: Obama Job Approval
http://news.gallup.com/poll...ma-job-approval.aspx
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82-T/A [At Work]
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MAR 07, 07:54 AM
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