Beware of the 'Blob'.. recent U.S. weather extremes linked to warm ocean West Coast (Page 4/6)
MidEngineManiac FEB 24, 01:05 PM
Gawd, you guys are slow on the uptake.

You should know by now that a large warm airmass means MeM got into the beans again.
williegoat FEB 24, 01:30 PM
Global warming, huh? I blame it on the moslems, especially that Canadian police chaplin.
jmclemore FEB 25, 02:37 AM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:
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Two studies point to a huge "warm blob" of water that's been lurking off the U.S. West Coast. The long-lived patch, which measures about 1,000 miles (1,600 kilometers) wide, is about 2 to 7 degrees Fahrenheit (1 to 4 degrees Celsius) above normal . . . .

For more:
http://www.nbcnews.com/scie...m-blob-water-n338766



Generated by human activities or just a natural occurrence?

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rinselberg FEB 25, 04:22 AM

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Originally posted by jmclemore:
Generated by human activities or just a natural occurrence?



Great question! Thank you!

Towards the end of the same brief news report (from my Original Post of April 11, 2015)


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The other study was conducted by Dennis Hartmann, an atmospheric scientist at UW. He links the "polar vortex" chill that gripped the central and eastern U.S. in 2013-2014 to a decadal-scale weather pattern that sent warm, dry air to the West Coast and cold, wet air to the East. Hartmann says the same scenario apparently played out during the winter of 2014-2015.

The weather pattern, known as the North Pacific Mode, is what's causing the Pacific's warm blob as well.

Is global climate change [global warming] playing a role in the rise of the North Pacific Mode?

Neither Bond nor Hartmann is willing to say. "I don't think we know the answer," Hartmann said. "Maybe it will go away quickly and we won't talk about it anymore, but if it persists for a third year, then we'll know something really unusual is going on."


What’s Causing Weird Weather? Blame a ‘Warm Blob’ of Water
NBC News (Science); April 9, 2015
http://www.nbcnews.com/scie...m-blob-water-n338766


My take on whether this "blob" of warm Pacific ocean water offshore, near the states of Washington and Oregon, was caused by global warming, driven by human greenhouse gas emissions

There isn't enough data yet to make that call. The "blob" was there in 2014 and 2015. After an almost two year "hiatus"--no activity on this thread since my last post from August of 2015--I revived this discussion with a new report that was based on data that was collected across the continental United States during the same time period when the "blob" was being observed. So, a new report that just came out recently, in 2017, but it was looking back at what was being observed during 2014 and 2015.

I don't think that the "blob" persisted through 2016, or has been observed again since the first day of 2017, because if that were the case, I would expect that would have been highlighted as part of this new report--and it wasn't.

The researchers are keeping their eyes on ocean temperature data that is always coming in from their monitoring devices. Will the "blob" reappear any time soon? Will it become a regular feature or characteristic for that same part of the Pacific Ocean, offshore to Washington and Oregon? It's the 64-billion dollar question.

Maybe in 2022 or 2027 they will have a clearer idea about it.

I think if the "blob" settles in and becomes a predictable characteristic of that same area of the Pacific Ocean, and if they review all the historical data that they have and there is nothing in the historical data to suggest that the "blob" was characteristic of this area during any of the decades before 2014, then I think it would be reasonable to think that this "blob" of especially warm ocean water is a result of the overall warming of the planet that many researchers attribute to human greenhouse gas emissions.

If the "blob" persists, then I would expect that there would be journal articles being published (in the future) with more detailed explanations of the mechanisms to explain more precisely the how and the why about how the overall warming of the planet would be having this especially elevated impact (in terms of ocean temperatures) on this particular region of the Pacific Ocean, causing this region to be distinct from the somewhat cooler ocean waters (of the future) that would be on the periphery of the "blob".

This, of course, assumes that the entire Pacific Ocean in this latitude range, from Japan, across to Hawaii, and on to the shores of Washington and Oregon, does not evolve into a much larger "blob", or--to use the more commonly accepted scientific term for this--a "super blob".

So, my answer to the question here from "jmclemore" is... TBD.

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E.Furgal FEB 25, 06:09 AM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

Originally posted by jmclemore:
Generated by human activities or just a natural occurrence?



Thank you! for feeding the troll.


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AGAIN ALL THIS SCIENCE IS NOTHING MORE THAN A
hypothesis

but it is treated like rock solid fact..

to many drinking the kool aid.
What the hell is it spiked with.

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dobey FEB 25, 08:55 AM

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Originally posted by E.Furgal:


AGAIN ALL THIS SCIENCE IS NOTHING MORE THAN A
hypothesis

but it is treated like rock solid fact..



How can you be typing on the Internet? It's only a hypothesis.
How can you have a car? It's only a hypothesis.
How can you eat food? It's only a hypothesis.

If you hate science so much, then burn all your belongings, and go hide in a cave in the Ozarks and try to live without it for a while.
E.Furgal FEB 25, 09:35 AM

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Originally posted by dobey:


How can you be typing on the Internet? It's only a hypothesis.
How can you have a car? It's only a hypothesis.
How can you eat food? It's only a hypothesis.

If you hate science so much, then burn all your belongings, and go hide in a cave in the Ozarks and try to live without it for a while.




Stay stupid..
you listed items you can put your hands on..

We can't put our hands on records that never were.
or space we can't get to.
or, weather /climate cycles that we have no records of..
yet you'll use all of those and call it fact..

Her is a fact for you..
Something hit earth and caused an ice age,, by blocking the sund rays..
What you dopes are calling man made climate change is just the ending of that ice age..
but there is no money to be made from that fact..

EVEN IF WE WERE STILL IN THE STONE AGE AS FAR AS POPULATION AND INDUSTRY the ice would still be melting just as fast..

only way to stop earth warming is to block the sun rays..
that require partcals in the air..
Want to stop it, go blow up a super volcano..

We could go dark from a solar storm sending us back to the stone age, and the earth warming would not change..

Cleaner air= less clouds as clouds are made up of dirt and dust, less of both = less clouds and that = more rays from the sun heating the earth..

Ice lands volcano puffs the last year years has put more green house gases into the air than we humans have in the last 100 years..

Hawaii's volcano puts more in the air in 6 months than industry in the usa has in a decade..
The ocean and it's organic matter/live puts more greenhouse gases in the air every year than the whole human race and industry.. does in 50 years..

Our effect on the weather and climate is 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% every decade..
earth itself is in control of it and it's cycle..
outside a comet or large meteor hit..

Stay stupid you are good at it.

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rinselberg OCT 28, 09:15 PM
It's baaack... the "BLOB", and it portends the likelihood of a warm and dry winter in the West, and a cold and stormy winter in the Eastern Continental United States.

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A mass of warm water in the northern Pacific Ocean known as "the BLOB" has returned . . .


Drew MacFarlane for weather(.com); October 23, 2018.
https://weather.com/news/cl...eturns-pacific-ocean

Text and video.
williegoat OCT 28, 10:14 PM
I guess that's why we just had the third wettest month on record and the wettest October ever, here in the Valley of the Sun.
rinselberg OCT 28, 10:32 PM
The BLOB is not retroactive. It doesn't explain the weather you've already had. It explains the weather that's still ahead.

I think it only just formed again. Otherwise, why wouldn't I have already seen a report like this and put it up here, say, at the beginning of October?