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The Trump Impeachment Proceedings (Page 38/49)

olejoedad

JAN 24, 12:37 PM

Rudy was on FOX & Friends this morning.
Look it up on YouTube.

Its getting real.

Fats

JAN 24, 01:15 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

But if I'm not mistaken, that's exactly what was happening. It only came to light because they forced all this information into house impeachment...

Exactly.

It's the same as the FBI "leaking" things to various newspapers around DC, and then using those articles as evidence in the proceedings.. From "unnamed sources" at that.

E.Furgal

JAN 24, 01:46 PM

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Originally posted by olejoedad:

Rudy was on FOX & Friends this morning.
Look it up on YouTube.

Its getting real.

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randye

JAN 24, 05:54 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

The DOJ could discretely, and without publicity, request assistance with such an investigation from their counterparts in the Ukraine. That's the way these things are supposed to proceed.

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

If I sit here and think for a minute, I have to assume the feeling that's going through the employees of these news stations, must be the same feeling that my friend is having... and that is, he cannot understand why no one cares, when in fact this is something he so deeply cares about.

If you'll recall, Ronald expressed ZERO similar concerns with the DoJ maintaining discretion and secrecy during the Mueller investigation.

It's a classic case of Leftists having "Shoe on the other foot disease".........and of course there is Ronald's raging, untreated, mental illness.

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Just try to imagine what it is like to be an unhinged Leftist right now.

For three long years, starting just 19 minutes after President Trump's election victory, Leftists have gone through an endless string of "WE FINALLY GOT HIM NOW!" .......to bleak, utter despair when their unrealistic fantasies have been crushed again, again, again and again.

Normal, rational, people would at least start to question their fantasies but, as we know, Leftists aren't normal, rational, people.

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Rickady88GT

JAN 24, 09:00 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

I have a friend that I discuss politics with from time to time, he is an ardent Bernie Sanders supporter, and truthfully believes Trump is the worst thing to have ever happened to this country... though he has tamed his responses quite a bit. We were discussing the impeachment proceedings, and I could tell he was really frustrated that none of us had really bothered to watch any of it. I was honestly trying not to get him upset, and he didn't get upset, but he seemed at least frustrated that I was both unconcerned and uninterested. He couldn't understand, saying that this affects us all, and it's part of history now that will be studied, etc...

I told him, here's the reality of the situation:

1 - Trump didn't break anyone's trust. There was no scandal, he came right out and forward on what he was being accused of.
2 - Trump did essentially what President Obama had done nearly 6 times during his administration, and President Bush several times as well (withhold aide money allocated by Congress to another Government). At that time, no one batted an eye or said anything.
3 - Trump ended up giving the money to Ukraine anyway, before any of this became an issue... so he didn't actually end up withholding anything.
4 - He's not being accused of any kind of crime for investigating Joe Biden, they are trying to attack him on a technicality for which they see he supposedly violated the act that was passed to prevent presidents from misappropriating money allocated by Congress. And I point you back to point #3, they got their money.
5 - Joe Biden actually committed significant crimes, for which President Trump still has every right to encourage Ukraine to support the investigation into.
6 - Finally, because of everything else that's led up to this... literally everyone recognizes this impeachment trial as an attempt to undo the 2016 election... and at best, it's merely a means for the radical left to "get back" at Trump because they're so angry with all of the policies he's implemented, and the undoing of all of Obama's policies.

With all of these 6 points I mentioned, literally everyone realizes, even Rinse (whether he wants to admit it or not), that this is a sham impeachment, so no one takes it seriously.

My friend then sent me an article talking about how 11 million people watched the opening day of the Senate Impeachment trial. He was so concerned about the fact that I was unconcerned, that he wanted to show me that people were taking it seriously. I read the article... it showed a nearly 3 million decline in viewership from the House impeachment to the Senate impeachment, and those numbers (11 million) were for only the first day. The subsequent day dropped by more than 60%. So you put this into context, with the total US population, less than 3% of the population bothered to watch the first day of the Senate impeachment, and barely 1% is watching currently.

As far as I'm concerned, with 1% viewership, it's obvious that no one cares, and everyone recognizes this for what it's worth... a complete and total joke.

My opinion on this matter is that this is a historic event. It is historic for a few reasons other than the rarity of it:
1) It is 100% partisan, ...almost. 4 times as many House Democrats voted against impeachment as Republicans voted for it.
2) No crimes have been committed and yet still an impeachment was successful.
3) The "mainstream media" are nearly 100% against Trump and reflect a clear and obvious bias that is so slanted that it can easily be considered embellished, selective or outright lies. And yet the outcome of the trial is predictable, against the "experts" in the media.
Basically the media is unreliable and tainted, untrustworthy. Unscrupulously feeding false information to the public.
4) The biggest reason this impeachment is historic news, is that it will now be the first to become a weapon of partisan warfare. This is the first of many impeachments to befall Presidents who do not have the House.
This impeachment is the first to to challenge the results of an election.
Yes it is historic, BUT not for the reasons the faulty media advertise it to be.

blackrams

JAN 25, 03:07 AM

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Originally posted by Rickady88GT:

My opinion on this matter is that this is a historic event. It is historic for a few reasons other than the rarity of it:
1) It is 100% partisan, ...almost. 4 times as many House Democrats voted against impeachment as Republicans voted for it.
2) No crimes have been committed and yet still an impeachment was successful.
3) The "mainstream media" are nearly 100% against Trump and reflect a clear and obvious bias that is so slanted that it can easily be considered embellished, selective or outright lies. And yet the outcome of the trial is predictable, against the "experts" in the media.
Basically the media is unreliable and tainted, untrustworthy. Unscrupulously feeding false information to the public.
4) The biggest reason this impeachment is historic news, is that it will now be the first to become a weapon of partisan warfare. This is the first of many impeachments to befall Presidents who do not have the House.
This impeachment is the first to to challenge the results of an election.
Yes it is historic, BUT not for the reasons the faulty media advertise it to be.

I don't know that you're 100% correct but, I'm thinking you're damn close.

Rams

82-T/A [At Work]

JAN 25, 05:55 AM

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Unfortunately, I think you're right.

Blacktree

JAN 25, 01:24 PM

I think we're living in historic times, and not in a good way. History has shown, time and again, that democratic forms of government tend to devolve into tyranny. The current state of our Republic seems to be similar to that of the Roman Republic, just before it transformed into the Roman Empire.

I do NOT look forward to that. But our political climate is becoming extremely polarized. The behavior of our politicians is becoming more extreme. It's only a matter of time until a group of them decides to organize a coup of the federal government. And if that coup succeeds, we will probably end up living in a neo-feudal authoritarian state.

This is why, IMO, the government shenanigans in VA must be dealt with, harshly if necessary. They should be used as a cautionary example for any would-be tyrants in the federal gov't. If the tyranny in VA is not stopped, it will infect the rest of the nation like a disease.

Fats

JAN 25, 02:59 PM

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Originally posted by Blacktree:
This is why, IMO, the government shenanigans in VA must be dealt with, harshly if necessary. They should be used as a cautionary example for any would-be tyrants in the federal gov't. If the tyranny in VA is not stopped, it will infect the rest of the nation like a disease.

Right, but the problem is that nobody will deal with them harshly. The people on the Right, despite what the media proclaims, again and again, are the rule followers. Even if they don't agree with the rules, they attempt to work within them.

I don't see any way out at this point, but I maintain that I'm not as smart with this stuff as other people.

We're at the mercy of our "leaders", who are generally corrupt, and don't have the nation's best interest in mind.

The left's motto is "win at any cost". Remember that.

williegoat

JAN 25, 06:42 PM

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Originally posted by Fats:

The left's motto is "win at any cost". Remember that.

The left cannot afford to loose. The DOJ is nipping at their heels and if they don't get the reins back in hand soon, their game will be over. That is why they are resorting to desperate measures and why they have so much hate for (actually fear of) Trump. Trump is the first outsider, the first "third party" player and he doesn't play by their rules.